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Can furloughs vote?

In conspiracy land getting rid of 169 votes at the time you make a contract offer that screws junior guys is smart if conspiracy land exists.

My friend told me a hotel change is coming in MCO. The Universal LaQ will be changed to an Amerisuites that is going to be remodeled as a Hyatt. I can not verify the story.
 
Please wish the van driver luck as he will most likely lose his job and apartment when we change hotels.

Before the furloughs, was there ever an attempt to trade the 14 retired guys for 14 line guys?

Instead of getting rid of 169 pilots
The company should have kept the 14 training guys and then save 14 pilots and lay off only 169-14= 154

That is called negotiating vs they win all. Nevermind I should have never come back to FI. Back to rehab.
 
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AirTran sent out a letter addressed individually to each pilot. It basically states the union board has chosen to say NO to managements proposal of concessions and now management wants to go to each pilot and let him make their own choice. BLAH, BLAH, BLAH!!! This same old sick tactic just gets old. AirTran management refuses to negotiate in good faith and refuses to abide by the current collective bargaining agreement. Now they want us to TRUST them and accept a 15% paycut for 36 months under their terms!

Here is my answer to that letter: NO WAY WILL I VOTE FOR ANY CONCESSIONS!!!!!!

One more thing, sending me a letter attempting to scare me will never work! If the company is going to enter bankruptcy, it will not go there because I failed to do my job and serve my customers to the best of my ability. It will not happen because I didn't agree to turnover my pay and benefits that are way below industry standards with an airline that currently has the lowest non-fuel cost in the business. This company will only survive when this management team produces a viable business plan short and long term that does not include the hard working frontline employees subsidizing the passengers. This management team needs to learn how to treat its employees. Needs to start holding scheduling accountable for the mismanagement of their resources! Finally, the constant lies that occur at this company from scheduling, and management need to stop. Example....the chief pilot goes to recurrent and ask Captains to fly as FOs when scheduling ask. When pilot in recurrent tells chief pilot that scheduling is URPING pilots on reserve, Chief pilot calls scheduling and ask why they are URPING pilots. Scheduling responds they have not and are not URPING pilots to chief pilot. Recurrent pilot then takes his schedule to chief pilot showing the number of times URPED and could produce 10-15 other pilots in the same situation. This bull has got to STOP! I don't live my life in FEAR! Manage or Fail! But it will not be at the expense of your employees!
 
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As of this morning 9/15/08 at 0920 oil is down to $95.77 dollars a barrel. AirTran bragged to the world that their business plan was based on Oil not exceeding $100 dollars a barrel. I think the problem with AirTran management is they have failed with all their major transactions as of late. AirTran management FAILED with the ATA deal in Chicago, then FAILED with the MIDWEST deal in MKE, and FAILED to resolve a CBA with their pilots union. Where are they going to go outside a merger? They have no short term or long term business plan outside some other airline going out of business. When you try to nickel and dime everything, it eventually catches up with you.

It is time AirTran management EARN those bonus' and put in place a short term and long term business plan. Stop your whining and negotiate in good faith with your unions. Abide by the current collective bargaining agreement and show people you can be trusted. Your request for CONCESSIONS are dead with this working group, go EARN your pay but not off the backs of the hard working men and women on the front lines. After a major hurricane hit the gulf, oil continues to go down. All indications are it will continue down. So get off your butts and lead and manage!
 
Frontier Airlines reported one of the worst operating losses in the commercial airline industry for the second quarter of 2008, and came in second for the highest fuel expenses than any other low-cost carrier, according to Bureau and Transportation Statistics data released Monday.
The Denver-based airline — operating under Chapter 11 bankruptcy protection — logged a 12.2 percent operating loss in the second quarter — or $44 million — down from a profit of 0.5 percent in the second quarter in 2007.
Frontier’s loss ranked the airline No. 5 among seven low-cost carriers.
Low-cost rival Southwest Airlines reported a 7.2 percent operating profit — or $205 million — in the second quarter, down from a 12 percent profit during the same time in 2007.
Denver’s largest carrier, United Airlines, reported a 4.2 percent loss — or $223 million — compared to a 10 percent profit in the second quarter of 2007.
To boost profits, most U.S. carriers have implemented fees for checking luggage. In the second quarter, excess baggage fees brought the industry $182.6 million, up from $122 million in the first quarter and $113 million in the second quarter of last year.
The airlines began charging for checked baggage earlier this year in the face of increased fuel costs.
Frontier reported 42 percent of its operating costs went to fuel expenses in the second quarter. Frontier’s code share partner, AirTran Airways, spent 49.1 percent of its operating costs on fuel.
Southwest Airlines, known for its strategic fuel hedging program, reported that 35.5 percent of its operating costs were spent on fuel.
United Airlines spent 33 percent of its operating budget on fuel — the highest of all major carriers. US Airways spent the least at 27.8 percent.






Keep in mind Frontier could not hedge because they were in bankruptcy. So they are doing better than Airtran who did hedge fuel, just not well.
 
As of 1543 on 9/15/08 oil is trading at $94.70 a barrel. It may go below $90 a barrel by weeks end. If one pilot in AirTran colors is DUMB enough to fall for the lies that AirTran management is feeding us, then you are a TOTAL FOOL! When I get in the cockpit, please don't make a bigger fool of yourself by justifying the concession talks this management team is trying to scare everyone into accepting! AirTran management has NO BUSINESS PLAN! They showed their hand in Chicago and Milwaukee and lost badly! Is there a white knight coming to save them, I don't know. But not one pilot should give back one cent to these people who have NO Business plan.
Oh by the way, for you kool aid drinkers that will make a fool of yourself and say how do I know, don't be so foolish....OPEN YOUR DAMN EYES! Selling airplanes to raise cash is not a business plan!
 
Just giving an example of the best management money can buy. As a furloughed guy I say not one red cent. Any contract must be better than TA2 that was voted down. Like was said before, if this company fails it is not because of employee costs or the fact that the front line employees did not try to make the company successful.
 

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