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Just giving an example of the best management money can buy. As a furloughed guy I say not one red cent. Any contract must be better than TA2 that was voted down. Like was said before, if this company fails it is not because of employee costs or the fact that the front line employees did not try to make the company successful.
Hey bud, my heart goes out to you! I truely hope that you are able to find a better opportunity in the near future. We have Captains selfishly flying in the right seat because we are short First officers! But we just furloughed 169 pilots? I have no respect for these individuals. They will try to justify to the world why they are doing what they are doing, but it is plain wrong!

Hold your head up high and hang in there!
 
AirTran management FAILED with the ATA deal in Chicago, then FAILED with the MIDWEST deal in MKE, and FAILED to resolve a CBA with their pilots union.



AT mgmt on THEIR BEST DAY could not have messed with SWA on the ATA deal....

AT mgmt on THEIR BEST DAY could not have messed with NWA ..err I mean TPG on the Midwest deal....

But AT mgmt HAS FAILED to foster a nice company culture, create diversified income receivables and failed to resolve a CBA with it's pilots.

My point is you cannot blame AT mgmt for ATA and MW deal.... AT vs SWA and AT vs NWA/TPG, well I can tell you who will win that battle EVERY TIME.
 
AT mgmt on THEIR BEST DAY could not have messed with SWA on the ATA deal....

AT mgmt on THEIR BEST DAY could not have messed with NWA ..err I mean TPG on the Midwest deal....

But AT mgmt HAS FAILED to foster a nice company culture, create diversified income receivables and failed to resolve a CBA with it's pilots.

My point is you cannot blame AT mgmt for ATA and MW deal.... AT vs SWA and AT vs NWA/TPG, well I can tell you who will win that battle EVERY TIME.
Yes you can blame AirTran management. AirTran management played around and was trying to be cheap. AirTran could have completed the deal with ATA long before ATA went into bankruptcy, but their arrogance and being cheap allowed them to be outplayed. They didn't think Southwest would jump in the game. But that goes to show you how arrogant these people are. They let their deal go to the courts and they lost there. Go back and do a search and you will find that the ATA deal was inked long before bankruptcy. Why did they let it go into bankruptcy, because they were hoping to get something on the cheap! That's the way things work at AirTran. As far Northwest, you are wrong again. Airtran was willing to pay over $400 million dollars on their last offer for Midwest. Well if they had not been arrogant, they would have tried to close the Midwest deal prior to Northwest coming out of bankruptcy. If Midwest and a MKE hub was so vital to their business plan, they would have not nickel and dimed the deal and gone in and made a better offer before Northwest came out of bankruptcy and trumped them again! (Keep in mind Northwest could not play in the game while in bankruptcy, I saw this coming why couldn't these guys who earn all their bonus' see it coming) Again this managements arrogance has caused them to FAIL and short of selling airplanes to raise cash, they have no business plan. That is why this company is where it is today. Bottom line, sometimes you have to PAY TO PLAY if you want to be a real player in this industry! NO CONCESSIONS PERIOD!

Oil closed today 9/15/08 at $94.02 a barrel!
 
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Yes you can blame AirTran management. AirTran management played around and was trying to be cheap. AirTran could have completed the deal with ATA long before ATA went into bankruptcy, but their arrogance and being cheap allowed them to be outplayed. They didn't think Southwest would jump in the game. But that goes to show you how arrogant these people are. They let their deal go to the courts and they lost there. Go back and do a search and you will find that the ATA deal was inked long before bankruptcy. Why did they let it go into bankruptcy, because they were hoping to get something on the cheap! That's the way things work at AirTran.
Understood.... Agreed! BUT if AT mgmt countered the offer, don't you think SWA(who wanted to expand MDW service) would have made a better deal? I believe that AT tried to get the cheapest deal possible BUT once SWA got involved it was over. AT doesn't have deep pockets...hence the cheapness....

Still, please do not accept concessions!



As far Northwest, you are wrong again. Airtran was willing to pay over $400 million dollars on their last offer for Midwest. Well if they had not been arrogant, they would have tried to close the Midwest deal prior to Northwest coming out of bankruptcy. If Midwest and a MKE hub was so vital to their business plan, they would have not nickel and dimed the deal and gone in and made a better offer before Northwest came out of bankruptcy and trumped them again! (Keep in mind Northwest could not play in the game while in bankruptcy, I saw this coming why couldn't these guys who earn all their bonus' see it coming) Again this managements arrogance has caused them to FAIL and short of selling airplanes to raise cash, they have no business plan. That is why this company is where it is today. Bottom line, sometimes you have to PAY TO PLAY if you want to be a real player in this industry! NO CONCESSIONS PERIOD!

The deal was made by TPG who wasn't in bankruptcy...but in my opinion was in collusion with NWA. The MidWest board turned down AT for the TPG deal...and according to MW there were at least four more competing deals. The question really becomes...how strong is AT's purchasing power? Can AT really outbid SWA or TPG or NWA?
 
Understood.... Agreed! BUT if AT mgmt countered the offer, don't you think SWA(who wanted to expand MDW service) would have made a better deal? I believe that AT tried to get the cheapest deal possible BUT once SWA got involved it was over. AT doesn't have deep pockets...hence the cheapness....

Still, please do not accept concessions!





The deal was made by TPG who wasn't in bankruptcy...but in my opinion was in collusion with NWA. The MidWest board turned down AT for the TPG deal...and according to MW there were at least four more competing deals. The question really becomes...how strong is AT's purchasing power? Can AT really outbid SWA or TPG or NWA?
I personally will never accept concessions! Southwest only entered the picture because ATA went into bankruptcy and were accepting potential better offers than AirTran's in bankruptcy. America West almost succeeded at buying all of ATA in Bankruptcy and ATA management was all for it, but America West could not workout a deal with all of ATA's lessors and walked away. The key is AirTran had reach an agreement with ATA prior to bankruptcy. This is significant because they could have just closed the deal prior to ATA going into bankruptcy therefore eliminating any chance of a bidding war. That means Southwest would of had no card to play. The end result would of been ATA would have liquidated earlier, and AirTran would of had 14 gates in MDW and more landing slots in LGA and DCA.

Northwest got TPG in the picture only after they exited Ch.11. They would of had no card to play while in Ch.11 and that's why it was so important to close a deal prior to them exiting bankruptcy. IF AirTran had offered the shareholders that kind of money earlier, Tim would of had no choice but to step aside. With the spike in fuel earlier in 2008, couldn't say if this was a blessing not to go through. However, AirTran would be in a position to strengthen two hubs, which they badly need. Also, who is to say they could not have sold those MD-80s and generated some cash. They would still be able to tinker with capacity and probable have better pricing power in MKE.
 
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NO CONCESSIONS. PERIOD.
and stop picking up open time and flying right seat you f***ing scumbag, mgmt whore, piece of sh*t scab bastards or I promise I am going to cave in someone's g**amn head. I am such a ball of rage that I am going to blow soon and I promise it will make headlines. Fired? Pinched? No problem. Nothing more to lose.
 
NO CONCESSIONS. PERIOD.
and stop picking up open time and flying right seat you f***ing scumbag, mgmt whore, piece of sh*t scab bastards or I promise I am going to cave in someone's g**amn head. I am such a ball of rage that I am going to blow soon and I promise it will make headlines. Fired? Pinched? No problem. Nothing more to lose.

Breathe, breathe, breathe
 
...I promise I am going to cave in someone's g**amn head. I am such a ball of rage that I am going to blow soon and I promise it will make headlines...Nothing more to lose.

Easy there fella. Remember this is a semi-anonymous
forum. What you're saying there is pretty dang provocative.
 
NO CONCESSIONS. PERIOD.
and stop picking up open time and flying right seat you f***ing scumbag, mgmt whore, piece of sh*t scab bastards or I promise I am going to cave in someone's g**amn head. I am such a ball of rage that I am going to blow soon and I promise it will make headlines. Fired? Pinched? No problem. Nothing more to lose.

Breathe, breathe, breathe

Just an observation, but no job is worth what you appear to be going thru.

Life is way too short to be unhappy. If you are that pissed off about work when you are not at work, perhaps some change in scenery would do your life, health, family, etc some good.
 

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