Furloughs at Delta and Northwest

[Flyer1015]

For what it's worth, the 9's are PAID for and hopefully will be the replacement for a buttload of worthless 50 seaters.

I just LOVE how former RJ drivers start to sh*t talk about 50 seaters as soon as they move to mainline.

 

[Redmeat]

Uhm is it just me, or if everyone else begins to furlough won't DL and NWA announce furloughs as well.

NWA/DL will furlough.

 

[General Lee]

NWA/DL will furlough.

Is this before or after we get 8 777LRs next year, along with 10 more 737-700s, and a bunch of MD90s? Anything is possible I guess.....

Bye Bye--General Lee

 

[eatme]

Is this before or after we get 8 777LRs next year, along with 10 more 737-700s, and a bunch of MD90s? Anything is possible I guess.....

Bye Bye--General Lee

No its after oil goes to $200 bbl., and you esad like everyone else in this industry.

 

[Flyer1015]

Is this before or after we get 8 777LRs next year, along with 10 more 737-700s, and a bunch of MD90s? Anything is possible I guess.....

Bye Bye--General Lee

It's after those select numbers of DC9s are parked, A319s/A320s are parked, and after the 757s parked.

But like you said, anything is possible.


Have no worry, any DAL/NWA furloughee will enjoy the leftseat at Compass and/or Mesaba.

Those Compass and Mesaba guys can't wait to have you!

 

[DYLIN]

It's after those select numbers of DC9s are parked, A319s/A320s are parked, and after the 757s parked.

But like you said, anything is possible.


Have no worry, any DAL/NWA furloughee will enjoy the leftseat at Compass and/or Mesaba.

Those Compass and Mesaba guys can't wait to have you!

I am having a difficult time understanding your post. I cannot be the only one; every time I see your clown head avatar I know exactly what the post will be about.

NWA just put out a statement to the pilot group -- the fall reduction in fleet that you just spoke of will not result in furloughs. By the way, the numbers for the DC-9 retirements have not changed since 2007.

Second of all -- Mesaba can take how many furloughed NWA pilots? 15? Isn't that about how many have flowed up to NWA so far? Not really significant at all in a company of more than a thousand pilots.

Third of all -- Compass. Anyone who works there took the job knowing that the flowback risk is there. You say NWA/DAL pilots can enjoy the left or right seat of Compass. Do you realize that if oil hit $200 a barrel that most of the furloughees from mainline would not even be able to get the right seat of a Compass E-175?

 

[Flyer1015]

NWA just put out a statement to the pilot group -- the fall reduction in fleet that you just spoke of will not result in furloughs.

They will say whatever people want to hear. Today, people want to hear that there will be no furloughs.

Plus, it doesn't help to say there will be furloughs, considering the government is looking to approve the merger. Annoucning job cuts as a result of the merger doesn't go well. People want to hear jobs will be protected, and it benefits employees and consumers.

I don't trust what anyone 'says' until I see the result. Let the airplanes get parked, all the ones mentioned, and then we'll see if people are furloughed or not.

Mesaba can take how many furloughed NWA pilots? 15? Isn't that about how many have flowed up to NWA so far? Not really significant at all in a company of more than a thousand pilots.

That's exactly what Eagle guys thought was going to happen... only have as many flowbacks as the number that flowthroughed (which is roughly 115). But long story short, over 600 flowbacks came to Eagle, due to a unfair arbitration decision.

Anyone who works there took the job knowing that the flowback risk is there.

Anyone who took a job in aviation knows they could lost it in a heartbeat.

Do you realize that if oil hit $200 a barrel that most of the furloughees from mainline would not even be able to get the right seat of a Compass E-175?

Forget it. The day oil hits $200/barrel is the day we are all collectively f#$ked. Forget aviation. Hopefully ya'll got some good backup degrees from college, cause you gonna need it.

Lets hope this really is an oil bubble caused by speculators, and that this bubble pops real soon...

 

[Flyer1015]

every time I see your clown head avatar I know exactly what the post will be about.

<-------- You don't get the joke, you must not know who that is dressed up as a clown...

 

[DYLIN]

I wasn't talking about who is dressed up, but rather, the content of most posts to the right of that clown.

 

[Jonny Sacko]

I don't know who that is, could you spill the beans on that guy? Thanks.

 

[Redmeat]

They will say whatever people want to hear

We have a WINNAH!

There will not be any negative announcements until after the merger is locked down tight at the end of the year.

Then the bad news and reneging will begin.

If oil continues to climb, all bets will be off.

 

[General Lee]

No its after oil goes to $200 bbl., and you esad like everyone else in this industry.

Most airlines will stop flying then, and the ones remaining with a bit of cash will rule the place. Also, at that price most people will stop driving too, and oil supply will rise, and the price will come back down.


Bye Bye--General Lee

 

[tomgoodman]

The trend is not your friend

There will not be any negative announcements until after the merger is locked down tight at the end of the year.

Then the bad news and reneging will begin.

If oil continues to climb, all bets will be off.

Very possibly true. But pilots should ask themselves what their negotiating position will be at the end of the year if a joint contract has not been signed. Delay is advisable only when your bargaining strength is increasing, and that doesn't appear to be the case. When a flood is foreseeable, it's wise to attain the highest possible ground ahead of time.

 

[chjack]

Most airlines will stop flying then, and the ones remaining with a bit of cash will rule the place. Also, at that price most people will stop driving too, and oil supply will rise, and the price will come back down.


Bye Bye--General Lee

people have cut back on their driving. demand is down, supply is up inspite of what the oil companies or saudi barons will tell you. unless something is done about the speculators, oil will hit $200.

 

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Tom:

Normally yes, but how do you account for LOA 19?

NWA brings more pilots than pilot jobs. Best case scenario is that they are absorbed into Delta's growth while the Delta pilots stagnate. Worst case is that Delta pilots take 60% or more of NWA's furloughs.

The JPWA looks like a good deal, but it brings with it an expedited course direct for the arbitration heralded by the NWA MEC and removes any incentive for negotiations.

The NWA pilots have convinced the Delta pilots that "seniority is everything."

We are being told "trust us" like there was a hope of a secret seniority agreement, but then we were told there has been no seniority talks at all.

IMHO the NWA MEC has been effectively positioning themselves for a successful arbitration. Muddying the water is an excellent strategy & A319 pay rates above the MD88 helps too. (Some claim an arbitrator can see through these preparations, but IMEO that's wrong thinking. Arbitrators on a three person panel will seek consensus which means simplifying the facts. Mud is very effective to reduce visibility)

Some Delta pilots clearly feel there is an advantage in shooting down the JPWA to get the SLI put back in front of the contract. I dare say that they control the internal debate right now. The current expectation is that the JPWA will be voted down. (current, as in "subject to change")

Politically every option seems risky given the USAPA precedent.