SKYW to get more RJ's for Midwest

[outtahere]

Agreed, there are always bad apples in any group. I will restate myself....On bahalf of most Skywest pilots....I doubt there are many pilots who are happy to take anothers job, despite what some might say on this board. Fly Safe
Wilde737

Oh see there is where you are wrong. It would be an absolute pleasure to put every Skywest pilot out to pasture. Little bit of reap what you sow.

 

[Morning Wood]

yes. if you believe otherwise, please explain mesa airlines.

you've all changed my mind. skywest is pure.

So the pay for the other departments and other costs have no bearing on how contracts are bid? It's based 100 percent on pilot pay? That's rich (pardon the pun). Why didn't Mesa win the Midwest RFP if pilot pay is all that is considered?

 

[SkyNation]

SkyWest has never won an RFP based purely upon pilot pay. We have won, and will continue to win RFPs based on aircraft lease rates, maintenance costs, a strong balance sheet, etc. It all factors in.

 

[Morning Wood]

AWAC is out of business? I remember when our flying was put out to the lowest bidder. I remember other carriers going after it like crack fiends trying to get a hit. I remember the formation of Go Jets. What was left over went to Mesa and Skywest. I remember getting displaced and having to commute to Crappydelphia instead of driving to ORD along with our other 918 pilots at the time. I remember reading recently that ORD and MKE are Junior bases for Skywest ie. Nobody wants to even be there. I also remember quitting. I don't remember them shutting their doors, just everyones lives dramatically altered in a very bad way.

Sorry I mis spoke. I meant to say was they lost their UAX flying. What you fail to realize is that many other salaried employees had their pay cut or frozen. This wasn't solely a pilot pay issue, contrary to what you guys would like to think. ORD and MKE are also two of the newest domiciles. Very few 20-plus year captains transfered to a different domicile. That being said, SkyWest has opened and closed several domiciles over the years. The loss of the CO flying in IAH forced many to move as well.

 

[btrthn5n5]

Really? How many PMs have you sent to these guys asking to help them out? How many phone call have you made to friends at Skyway or to your company asking to give these guys preferential hiring? How many calls have you made to HR? I even have my wife scrounging stuff up at her company...

What are you doing to help?

Gleeful??? What a first class a$$ you are.

Don't fret over it MarineGrunt. This guy is a complete moron. Look through his 3000+ posts for proof. Just let him spew his ingnorant posts and take them for the funny read that they are.

 

[budd]

Skyway Pilot VS Skywest pilot..... My family is riding Skyways. No Brainer!!!! But it is all about the dollar>>

 

[JoeMerchant]

yes. if you believe otherwise, please explain mesa airlines.

you've all changed my mind. skywest is pure.

Please explain Mesa airlines..... aren't they ALPA??....... I'm not sure I would use Mesa as evidence of why Skywest should become ALPA....

 

[JoeMerchant]

Oh see there is where you are wrong. It would be an absolute pleasure to put every Skywest pilot out to pasture. Little bit of reap what you sow.

Even the ones who voted FOR ALPA????..... It is ALPA Koolaid Cheerleaders like you that will guarantee that no other regional ever joins ALPA.........

ALPA has helped to cause this "bidding war" and you blame your fellow Skywest pilots, including those who actually voted for ALPA......

You sir are an idiot and a disgrace......

 

[relief tube]

all arguements aside, please guys, you have been in the middle of a lot "takeovers." Much more so than even RAH.

Some offered consolation could be to vote down this pathetic pay raise. It'd at least give a short repose from the current impression of you all as a bunch of kool-aid drinking, anti-union, disenfranchised, spikey-hiared/backpack/sunglass/ipod wearing fellas.

 

[John Pennekamp]

How exactly did voting no on ALPA cause this to happen? Do you think that with pay and everything else frozen until a contract was ratified years down the road had any bearing on this?

Pennekamp...

Midwest had an option on 10 more aircraft at their discretion on top of the original 15 in the contract. This is Midwest exercising their option on the other 10 aircraft and I fully believe that SkyWest was not intentionally there to put Skyway out of business. This seems like an MEH decision to me. But you go ahead and look it through whatever glasses fit.

SkyWest has never won an RFP based purely upon pilot pay. We have won, and will continue to win RFPs based on aircraft lease rates, maintenance costs, a strong balance sheet, etc. It all factors in.

You caused it to happen, not because of your pay rate, but because of the flexibility being non-union offers management. With you all being non-union (and voting to stay that way), when Midwest demands cheaper in two years, SkyWest can do it cheaper. No messy negotiations in the way. And you will all gladly take the pay cut because they'll throw you a few more airplanes and keep the fast upgrades coming. This is your reward for voting down ALPA

Face it. SkyWest Airlines is no better than Go Jets or SkyBus. Pilots with no self esteem.

 

[AWACO]

..... And you will all gladly take the pay cut because they'll throw you a few more airplanes and keep the fast upgrades coming. This is your reward for voting down ALPA
.......

FYI: fast upgrades have stopped on the jet. No classes in the past few months and nothing planned in the foreseeable future. And this midwest flying will not change that.

 

[John Pennekamp]

FYI: fast upgrades have stopped on the jet. No classes in the past few months and nothing planned in the foreseeable future. And this midwest flying will not change that.

Wow, like that sucks, dude. Like that's so not what we came to SkyWest for, dude. Bummin on the upgrade, bro.

 

[USC328]

Here is something to ponder. Imagine you work at McDonalds. The hourly pay is 9.00/hr. Burger King employees (BKE) are making 10.00/hr doing the equivalent job. Mc Donalds decides to offer their employees more money. However, BKE are telling Mc Donalds employees (MCDE) to turn it down. Yet at the same time, BKE are mad that MCDE are doing the same job for an hourly rate that is less than theirs. McDonalds doesn't have to give there employees anything because their current rates were already agreed upon thru the next three years. Yet, out of good faith and demand for more employees, Mc Donalds decides to offer them more money. If MCDE turn down the raise, do you think Mc Donalds will come back and offer them more later? The only bargaining power MCDE have is that if the extra employees are needed, rates will need to increase. It's the nature of the business.

Now, to throw more into the pot to ponder. Taco Bell is closing their doors where their employees were making less than MCDE. Since job opportunities will be opening at Mc Donalds and MCDE empathize with Taco Bell employees and want to help them as they know they too have family members to feed. MCDE has two choices. Welcome them at a $9.00/hr rate, or agree on the raise that management is offering them and welcome Taco Bell employees with a better chance of making a new start. Wouldn't it be a double slap in the face if MCDE turn down the raise and continue to (per BKE definition) "undercut" other jobs. Instead, they are agreeing on better rates that are more equivalent to other fast food joints instead of staying at a lower rate where they will suffer more ridicule from BKE and other establishments.

Something else to ponder. Hourly rates are not everything. BKE employees are making $10/hr, yet by the end of the year, their W2s are slightly less than MCDE. I know, this has been argued in the past, but I'll give you numbers to justify it. These numbers are only for argument and educational purposes. I know I'll get flamed for this, but I'm just trying to prove a point and educate those that don't fully understand MCDE/SKYW work rules.

I was hired at SKYW in July 2005. From July 2005 thru July 15, 2006 my W2 was $25436.76. This is 12 months pay with no pay in training (technically only 10 months pay).

From July 15, 2006 thru July 15, 2007, my W2 was $63,613.78. The details are as followed for that year.

3 weeks off FMLA in February for surgery (no pay) Captain upgrade in April.
Training pay (FO rates) for 2 months.
Captain pay started May 2007.
Total of 2.5 months Captain pay.

From July 15, 2007 thru 12-31-07, my W2 was $37,622.78.

That would be an equivalent of $82086.06 per year as a 3rd year Captain at SkyWest.

Math = $37,622.78/5.5 months = 6840.50/month

6840.50 X 12 = $82086.06

Also, for what it's worth
781:10 block July 15, 2006 thru July 15, 2007.
Equals $81.40/block hr
(hrly pay was $34.54 (FO) and $60.14(CA))

433:35 block July 16, 2007 thru December 31, 2007.
Equals $86.70/block hr (hrly pay is $60.14)

I am not a checkairman or mgmt. Just an ordinary line pilot who wants to help educate and help those that want to pursue SkyWest as an employment opportunity.


Let me say for the first time that I do sympathize with SkyWay pilots. I'm a CA in MKE and if there is anything I can do to help you get on with us, PM me. I hope these numbers will help you realize that although first year pay is less than descent, it's not as bad as it may seem with our work rules considered. My first year pay was based on $19.02/hr. It's now higher and if we do vote in the new rate, will be 12% higher than that. Upgrade times for MKE dropped as low as 11 months for a while. I upgraded in 1 yr 9 months. If you have any questions or want more info, please don't hesitate to PM me. Good luck guys.

USC328

 

[EngineOut]

We're (SkyWest) probably going to get thumped pretty hard when UA/DL merge.

But not for the grace of God go I...

 

[russtgol]

We're (SkyWest) probably going to get thumped pretty hard when UA/DL merge.

But not for the grace of God go I...

Wont happen... Delta and NWA sounds about right...

 

[Caspian27]

Wow. That is the only response I have to the many, many juvenile, immature and ignorant posts on this thread. Of course, it's just like every other thread here...I wonder why we continually come on these boards and read this stuff. Nobody is convincing each other about anything. It's all just chest-bumping... It's a shame we can't just enjoy our jobs and our love of flying, instead we have to act like 5 year olds with a self-esteem problem.

To all the Skyway guys/gals: My condolences. Everyone I've met there is a class-act. If I can do anything to assist you please let me know!

 

[John Pennekamp]

Wow. That is the only response I have to the many, many juvenile, immature and ignorant posts on this thread. Of course, it's just like every other thread here...I wonder why we continually come on these boards and read this stuff. Nobody is convincing each other about anything. It's all just chest-bumping... It's a shame we can't just enjoy our jobs and our love of flying, instead we have to act like 5 year olds with a self-esteem problem.

To all the Skyway guys/gals: My condolences. Everyone I've met there is a class-act. If I can do anything to assist you please let me know!

So why are you reading it? Don't let the door hit your ass on the way out...

 

[Caspian27]

So why are you reading it? Don't let the door hit your ass on the way out...

Trust me with guys like you posting the spew that you do, it's not my first choice. There's only so many websites you can surf while waiting for your flight home before you get bored and log on.

All I'm saying is a little civility from people on this sight would be nice...but I'm not sure you could be civil if someone gave you a million dollars to do it for 5 minutes.

 

[John Pennekamp]

Trust me with guys like you posting the spew that you do, it's not my first choice. There's only so many websites you can surf while waiting for your flight home before you get bored and log on.

All I'm saying is a little civility from people on this sight would be nice...but I'm not sure you could be civil if someone gave you a million dollars to do it for 5 minutes.

Nevermind... SO not worth it.

 

[XPOO]

Pennekamp is only civil when you spout good movie quotes at him. Otherwise, he's just here to bust your balls, get over it.