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SKYW to get more RJ's for Midwest

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XPOO said:
32 more jets over the next 2 years, and the quick upgrades are dwindling?
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This is the real cool part! Yasee the idiots that voted no on the union drive, will upgrade to a reserve slot, and bam! no more planes, permanent reserve and hello Irene, the crying into the beers that they can't afford. The great irony as the company increases reserves, because they can cornhole to their hearts content, those human $hitstains will get just what they deserve, 74.5hrs a month, lots of ready reserve, PBS, a good dose of ASE forced flying, ect.
PBR
 
Something like losing 23 EMBs to be replaced with 18 CRJ-2s and 4 CRJ-9s. Then 10 more CRJ-2s to fill out the rest of the Midwest agreement.
 
It seems to me that the upgrade will slow down unless you obtain more flying right? 32 jets - 22 EMB120's equals a net growth of 10 aircraft. Even at six crews per a/c that will be only 120 pilots on the end of a 2800 pilot seniority list.
 
There are lots of FO's that have been here a couple years that haven't been able to upgrade because they didn't have the flight time.
 
yellowfever said:
It seems to me that the upgrade will slow down unless you obtain more flying right? 32 jets - 22 EMB120's equals a net growth of 10 aircraft. Even at six crews per a/c that will be only 120 pilots on the end of a 2800 pilot seniority list.
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It's been stated that 5 of those EMB's will stick around in a "pro-rate" basis. So it would be a net loss of "only" 18 Brasilias in the end.
 
Buzo said:
We have no negotiating power. 65% of my co-workers decided that the company would take care of us. In order to have leverage, you must have unity, something this pilot group will never have.
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..... and neither will ALPA......

..... You are right about unity.... but ALPA only gives lip service to the word....Sending 1.95% of your paycheck to Herndon does not equal unity.....
 
Buzo said:
65% of my co-workers decided that the company would take care of us.
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what regional pilot group, in your estimation, has been better 'taken care of' in the 36 years that we've been around, than us? the last 10 years? 5?

honest question, and good luck with your future endeavors
 
SkyNation said:
what regional pilot group, in your estimation, has been better 'taken care of' in the 36 years that we've been around, than us? the last 10 years? 5?

honest question, and good luck with your future endeavors
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Hmm, let me see here. Could it be, SkyWest? Ding-ding-ding, Yes!!!! I knew that one, that was way too easy.
Oh, Yeah! This Kool-Aid tastes great!!!!!
Next question please.
 
"Any new collective bargaining agreements entered into by other regional carriers may also result in higher industry wages and increased pressure on us to increase the wages and benefits of our employees. Future agreements with unionized and non-unionized employees may be on terms that are not as attractive as our current agreements or comparable to agreements entered into by our competitors."

Skywest, Inc. Form 10-Q for the quarterly period ended September 30,2007 Page 24

http://www.sec.gov/Archives/edgar/da...25517_110q.htm
 
so while we're cutting and pasting from SEC filings, from same page as above:


Agreements reached in collective bargaining may increase operating expenses and lower operating results and net income. If unionizing efforts among SkyWest Airlines’ employees are successful, we may be subjected to risks of work interruption or stoppage and/or incur additional administrative expenses associated with union representation.
If we are unable to reach labor agreements with any current or future unionized work groups, we may be subject to work interruptions or stoppages, which may adversely affect our ability to conduct our operations and may even allow Delta, United or Midwest to terminate their respective code-share agreements.


I guess I'm just old fashioned in that I don't want to put my company, my employer, my bread and butter at unnecessary risk. If my company dies, I die with them. If the way my company does things keeps me compensated at a level equal to or greater than the competition, why would I do anything to hurt my company, or slow it down? This is a marathon, not a sprint. I want my company to be competitive now, 5 years from now, 10, and 20.
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SkyNation said:
so while we're cutting and pasting from SEC filings, from same page as above:


Agreements reached in collective bargaining may increase operating expenses and lower operating results and net income. If unionizing efforts among SkyWest Airlines’ employees are successful, we may be subjected to risks of work interruption or stoppage and/or incur additional administrative expenses associated with union representation.
If we are unable to reach labor agreements with any current or future unionized work groups, we may be subject to work interruptions or stoppages, which may adversely affect our ability to conduct our operations and may even allow Delta, United or Midwest to terminate their respective code-share agreements.


I guess I'm just old fashioned in that I don't want to put my company, my employer, my bread and butter at unnecessary risk. If my company dies, I die with them. If the way my company does things keeps me compensated at a level equal to or greater than the competition, why would I do anything to hurt my company, or slow it down? This is a marathon, not a sprint. I want my company to be competitive now, 5 years from now, 10, and 20.
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Now you are starting to get it. We are all company men/women. We all want to see our companies succeed for obvious reasons. Just materializing (unionizing) the threat of self help that your management admits to in their SEC filings will give you leverage and force the company into real "good faith bargaining" to try actually set the bar rather than "ride the coat tails." Management doesn't want to lose flying just as the pilots don't either. But just having the possibility to self help evens the playing field in order to get as much of the money on the table.

You are making progress.
 
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Nevets said:
Now you are starting to get it. We are all company men/women. We all want to see our companies succeed for obvious reasons. Just materializing (unionizing) the threat of self help that your management admits to in their SEC filings will give you leverage and force the company into real "good faith bargaining" to try actually set the bar rather than "ride the coat tails." Management doesn't want to lose flying just as the pilots don't either. But just having the possibility to self help evens the playing field in order to get as much of the money on the table.

You are making progress.
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Gentlemen, we have a winner...
 
Nevets,

you and I disagree. I appreciate your opinions and ability to stay above the fray here in the 'cage' that has become FI.com. I think we've been over all this ad naseum, so I wish you good luck and hope you enjoy your employment as much as I do mine.

best to you
 

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