New FOs leaving CAL for Southwest

[Palomino]

Callouts sound very similiar to CAL operations. I agree just a tadbit too much talking. Maybe, it will dawn on somebody that you can still be the monitoring pilot and be somewhat silent.

except at CAL the flying pilot calls for configuration and checklists only. i (as flying pilot FO) don't say squat about baro/radar altitude on a visual or instrument approach. sounds pretty silly to me. that's the non-flying pilot's duty.

but since SWA pays well i could probably adjust my thinking...

 

[ERJFO]

What the f?

Is this place just a stepping stone to get the 737 type rating just to go to LUV? Is it common now to jump from major to major?

Have fun flying the 737 forever domestically. Oh, and say goodbye to ever flying the 787.

I'm sure they will also enjoy having more days off and making more money than your 777 pilots.

 

[Cobra]

except at CAL the flying pilot calls for configuration and checklists only. i (as flying pilot FO) don't say squat about baro/radar altitude on a visual or instrument approach. sounds pretty silly to me. that's the non-flying pilot's duty.

but since SWA pays well i could probably adjust my thinking...

Yes, I am intimately familiar with the procedures. Calling every 100 feet on the baro, 500' and below, causes the overall scan to be less "scanful".

 

[The Victors]

I really hope not. I dont know who you fly the 737 for(or maybe it's just a bought type rating for the intereview), but I'm at CAL and we have a contract coming up. Southwest has the highest paid 737 drivers in the country. It gives us a point to negotiate ABOVE in our next contract. I sincerely hope they keep those payrates. That way we can exceed them

Thank YOU!!! Finally someone gets it. SWA is the only company that is upholding the pay for the industry. EVERYONE should be happy about that and aspiring to get their pay back to those levels or HIGHER. These F ing idiots that keep puking out "swa will get theirs" are the problem with this profession by trying to bring swa down INSTEAD of bring themselves up!!!

 

[Wingsweep]

Hey BD

Didn't the flight ops "kernels" at SWA come up with those dumb-as$ callouts? In case anyone has not had the pleasure of jumpseating on Southwest on a visual approach, handflown, F/O's landing, it is actually kind of amusing. Apparently the F/O is required to call out altitudes "500, 400, 300, 200" even though he/she is hand flying a VISUAL approach and should probably be looking at the runway. Not exactly sure what the captain/pilot monitoring is supposed to be doing at this point. Capt. eventually wakes up and says "100 and 50" I think. Bizarre.

Great callouts there SWA/FO - I'm sure much FOM-envy from all of us

The term "kernal" identifies you with a group of know-nothing know-it-alls who probably tried to make it in the military, but couldn't because of some character flaw that would likely have gotten you named Guest of Honor at a series of well-deserved blanket parties. The fact you so casually mock an entire group of people that consistently passed rigorous scutiny by others more honorable than yourself, then likely risked their lives for you to be a pompous pr1ck any time you want, clearly identifies you in my mind. As far as your arrogant critique of SWA procedures, you're just plain FOS, and I hope the crews figure out who you are before you jump again. FAHWDYKMA ws

ps Interesting you picked the handle "Benjamin Dover" ws

 

[Non Union]

How many?

The latest that I heard is that 5 left CAL this week. 3 went to Southwest and 2 left for UPS.

Not sure if this is entirely accurate.

 

[Cobra]

How many?

The latest that I heard is that 5 left CAL this week. 3 went to Southwest and 2 left for UPS.

Not sure if this is entirely accurate.

Another also left for Delta a little over a week ago.

 

[lurker]

The term "kernal" identifies you with a group of know-nothing know-it-alls who probably tried to make it in the military, but couldn't because of some character flaw that would likely have gotten you named Guest of Honor at a series of well-deserved blanket parties. The fact you so casually mock an entire group of people that consistently passed rigorous scutiny by others more honorable than yourself, then likely risked their lives for you to be a pompous pr1ck any time you want, clearly identifies you in my mind. As far as your arrogant critique of SWA procedures, you're just plain FOS, and I hope the crews figure out who you are before you jump again. FAHWDYKMA ws

You WANT me on that wall. You NEED me on that wall.

 

[Benjamin Dover]

The term "kernal" identifies you with a group of know-nothing know-it-alls who probably tried to make it in the military, but couldn't because of some character flaw that would likely have gotten you named Guest of Honor at a series of well-deserved blanket parties. The fact you so casually mock an entire group of people that consistently passed rigorous scutiny by others more honorable than yourself, then likely risked their lives for you to be a pompous pr1ck any time you want, clearly identifies you in my mind. As far as your arrogant critique of SWA procedures, you're just plain FOS, and I hope the crews figure out who you are before you jump again. FAHWDYKMA ws

ps Interesting you picked the handle "Benjamin Dover" ws

Never carried JDAM - before my time - but besides dumb-iron M-82's, 83's and 84's, dropped quite a bit of LGB's and Rockeye in Desert Storm USN A-6. We even shot a few Zuni rockets at some boats but they didn't do much.

So, not a good ID Wingsweep. Yes I did serve my time, got shot at, and lost a few good buds along the way. Not quite sure why my ?????????? the ludicrous, hand flown, make your own callouts visual approach procedure you got going there has you all fired up and making completely wrong assumptions about my background.

"Pompous pr1ck?" Whatever, but if you re-read my post, I hardly "casually mocked an entire group of people" - just your F/O visual approach callouts that SWA/FO seemed pretty proud of. Would you not agree that it might be a better idea for the Pilot Monitoring to make those calls and let F/O flying concentrate on flying a good visual glidepath/approach? Also, simply a "500" call seems to work just fine most everywhere else. I'm sure current and future SWA F/O's would appreciate if something besides "the company pays my paycheck - I'll say whatever" was the answer. "The company" is pilots - flight ops leadership. I'm sure your non-pilot management could care less what your callouts are. Didn't it bother you in the military when the answer seemed to be "that's just the way it is?" Does it have to be?

So, thanks for your service too, whichever one it might be, but you're way off base with your rant here.

BD

 

[INIT REF]

Shack!

 

[Wingsweep]

You started the name calling...

BD, glad to take you on here. The term "kernel" always was, and always will be derogatory. Don't tell me it doesn't imply a Colonel you think less of, simply because they rose to that rank. It also implies you're smarter than the average Colonel who you think is lower than a popcorn kernel. Or is it simply because you can't spell Colonel correctly? Since you're so proud of your military service, let me ask you if you ever had the ba11s to address a real Colonel in that way. As for the SWA procedures, I'm not going to debate with a pinhead who thinks the SWA leadership is run by a bunch of popcorn kernels. You're still the one off base, or more correctly, FOS. ws

ps I did see you had military service, and that fact even more infuriated me to see you calling Colonels, kernels. That term belongs to a bunch of digruntled civilians with stereotypical views of the military and bigger chips on their shoulders. For example, I guarantee it won't take long for a bunch of those wise a$$es to dog pile in your corner. (Reminds me of, ...sleep with a bunch of flees and...well you know the rest.) Therefore, as a former or current military member, don't wrap yourself up in the flag and tell me how much you respect your service and those honorably pulling their weight. Where did you get such a disrespectful view of military leadership? Anybody who uses that term is a POS in my book. ws

 

[SWA/FO]

just your F/O visual approach callouts that SWA/FO seemed pretty proud of

the SWA/FO told you the callouts are in there for AF kernal's. Along with everything s p e l l e d out.....

 

[Tejas-Jet]

Colonel...isn't that an O-6? Isn't former astronaut Lisa Nowak an O-6?

 

[Wingsweep]

Hey, SWA/FO

the SWA/FO told you the callouts are in there for AF kernal's. Along with everything s p e l l e d out.....

Everything I told BD applies to you, double. ws

ps the "negative military" says it all, doesn't it...

 

[Benjamin Dover]

BD, glad to take you on here. The term "kernel" always was, and always will be derogatory. Don't tell me it doesn't imply a Colonel you think less of, simply because they rose to that rank. It also implies you're smarter than the average Colonel who you think is lower than a popcorn kernel. Or is it simply because you can't spell Colonel correctly? Since you're so proud of your military service, let me ask you if you ever had the ba11s to address a real Colonel in that way. As for the SWA procedures, I'm not going to debate with a pinhead who thinks the SWA leadership is run by a bunch of popcorn kernels. You're still the one off base, or more correctly, FOS. ws

ps I did see you had military service, and that fact even more infuriated me to see you calling Colonels, kernels. That term belongs to a bunch of digruntled civilians with stereotypical views of the military and bigger chips on their shoulders. For example, I guarantee it won't take long for a bunch of those wise a$$es to dog pile in your corner. (Reminds me of, ...sleep with a bunch of flees and...well you know the rest.) Therefore, as a former or current military member, don't wrap yourself up in the flag and tell me how much you respect your service and those honorably pulling their weight. Where did you get such a disrespectful view of military leadership? Anybody who uses that term is a POS in my book. ws

Dude,

Again, go back and read my first post - it was a response to SWA/FO and his use of the word "kernel" - it's not my word and I agree with your take on the derogatory use of it. Notice I put the word "kernel" in quotes in my response to SWA/FO. I know that flight ops leaderhsip at SWA, and many other places, is filled with military guys. I believe his quote was something like "our callouts are overkill and put in place for kernel like you" to someone else. That was my point - they, military guys (the "kernels") wrote the FOM and the callouts!!

I was trying to - unsucessufully it seems - bust on SWA/FO and his use of "kernel" and his endorsement of SWA callouts. SWA/FO is well documented on FI with his claim that military reservisits are mostly scammers and in this for the $$. "I saw the opportunity, I took the shot" as Maverick said, and you've messed it all up. Rather than have some sort of discussion about the callouts like Gup did, you've turned this far too emotional. Are there not enough mil vs. civ threads out there for you to jump into? SWA/FO must have a total chubby watching what he's unintentially stirred up.

Done here. Sorry to hit the bad nerve. "Disprespectful view of military leaderhsip"?? Not sure where you're getting that between the lines. I am not your enemy, POS that you think I am.

By the way - I am a "Colonel" - Navy Captain - still serving, working with many Colonels, Capt's, GO's, etc. All a pretty good crowd, all very professional and all with seasoned thick skin as we trade good natured inter-service barbs over beers at the club. So Wingsweep, bad ID again. Time to just let it go or turn the vent somewhere else.

BD

 

[SWA/FO]

ps the "negative military" says it all, doesn't it...

Yeah, kinda like saying NO MIL BACKGROUND or I WAS NOT IN THE MIL or ALL CIVILIAN or POSITIVE CIVILIAN or the one I picked Negative Military. I would not candy coat it for you, If I hated all Mil guys, I would say so. You would not have to look at my profile to figure it out. I hate some Mil guys and I hate some Civ guys. I'm an "equal opportunity hater".

But who cares what the SWA/FO thinks? He doesn't make Government or Southwest Airlines policy. Besides if your on this message board, you are a civilian weather you like it or not.

If you don't like it go to the kernal board and yuck it up, you wont find me there. You guys can talk about the PX, 0-6 and my favorite "terminal leave" - which is a good thing, I hear. Sounds painful.

 

[thor2j]

Yeah, kinda like saying NO MIL BACKGROUND or I WAS NOT IN THE MIL or ALL CIVILIAN or POSITIVE CIVILIAN or the one I picked Negative Military. I would not candy coat it for you, If I hated all Mil guys, I would say so. You would not have to look at my profile to figure it out. I hate some Mil guys and I hate some Civ guys. I'm an "equal opportunity hatter".

WTF is equal opportununity hatter???

Is that someone who makes differnet types of hats without discrimination???

or

Maybe that damn hare in ALice in Wonderland

Plz, before your throw mud , get your terms correct. It makes you look like a bigger idiot.

 

[Beaver79]

Your response doesn't address anything in his statement. You will fly 737s domestically forever, and you will most likely never fly a 787. But, you do point out the great pay at Southwest, which is what you should get for flying 5-6 legs a day at a profitable airline.

Fly more when you are at work, and spend more time at home since you aren't flying 2-3 legs a day...hmmm...interesting theory.

The two SWA guys I know well are home way more than any other major pilots....and, they are HAPPY, the don't b*tch at all....all praise....

 

[Beaver79]

Such a tool. It's not about who is better moron, it's a matter of what suits each individual person and what suits their family. Size no longer matters, but in your case, I guess it does. Not everyone is born with a small penis there Shorty.

Well said....

 

[ERJFO]

I really hope not. I dont know who you fly the 737 for(or maybe it's just a bought type rating for the intereview), but I'm at CAL and we have a contract coming up. Southwest has the highest paid 737 drivers in the country. It gives us a point to negotiate ABOVE in our next contract. I sincerely hope they keep those payrates. That way we can exceed them

Good luck exceeding the 1,2,3 rule, reserve rules/min days off, and getting PBS off of your contract.