New FOs leaving CAL for Southwest

[SWA/FO]

This thread was certainly not my best showing. After all, it is - just a job. Being a good person is ultimately what takes the cake.

the SWA/FO agrees with the Scrapdog

Hey, if it floats their boat. So what if they leave CAL. Perhaps this sends a message to absurdly overpaid mgmt that health insurance for a pilot is a smal price to pay compared to the cost of recruitment, training... and oh yeah, employee loyalty.

I think the numbers are small (people leaving one company for another) and this is so far off of managements radar. Maybe a couple of dozen spots below executive compensation.

 

[Deerkiller]

Good luck with that. I predict Southwest will negotiate a CONCESSIONARY contract, the next round. The majors are all coming back, and the arrogance at Southwest will be crushed.

I really hope not. I dont know who you fly the 737 for(or maybe it's just a bought type rating for the intereview), but I'm at CAL and we have a contract coming up. Southwest has the highest paid 737 drivers in the country. It gives us a point to negotiate ABOVE in our next contract. I sincerely hope they keep those payrates. That way we can exceed them

 

[ASADFW7]

So what did we agree on? Some people buy Hummers because they have small logbooks?

 

[Tank68]

Here is what I know. I know I like my job and I hope you like yours. QOL is what I want not what you think I should want. To judge the quality of a pilot group and wish a concessionary contract on them because one or two pilots strike you as arrogant is just sad.

 

[atpcliff]

Hi!

I read that Delta is NOT getting the high % of AF/Navy mil fixed-wing guys applying that they had before, and they don't understand why. They're even taking !GASP! ARMY guys because they have so few mil applicants. Jet Blue is not getting the guys they were hoping for, hence the open houses all over the place.

cliff
YIP

 

[Benjamin Dover]

easy there kernal..... Airline flying has nothing to do with formation flying, bombing $hit, PX or the BOQ. You are a VFR F-teen pilot.

Our "callouts" are overkill here at Southwest and they are in place for kernal like you.

Didn't the flight ops "kernels" at SWA come up with those dumb-as$ callouts? In case anyone has not had the pleasure of jumpseating on Southwest on a visual approach, handflown, F/O's landing, it is actually kind of amusing. Apparently the F/O is required to call out altitudes "500, 400, 300, 200" even though he/she is hand flying a VISUAL approach and should probably be looking at the runway. Not exactly sure what the captain/pilot monitoring is supposed to be doing at this point. Capt. eventually wakes up and says "100 and 50" I think. Bizarre.

Great callouts there SWA/FO - I'm sure much FOM-envy from all of us

 

[GuppyWN]

The callouts suck. The captain callouts are discresionary but not the FO. They are designed so that every approach is the same - whether VFR or IFR. I think by this point in the game we know whether or not we're in the clouds.

That being said. They pay me to say them so I chant like crazy!

Gup

 

[Benjamin Dover]

That being said. They pay me to say them so I chant like crazy!

Gup

Well said gup - things that make you scratch your head and say "who's idea was this?" everywhere I guess. See you around the circuit - I'll be in the slow lane :laugh:

Ben

 

[Cobra]

Didn't the flight ops "kernels" at SWA come up with those dumb-as$ callouts? In case anyone has not had the pleasure of jumpseating on Southwest on a visual approach, handflown, F/O's landing, it is actually kind of amusing. Apparently the F/O is required to call out altitudes "500, 400, 300, 200" even though he/she is hand flying a VISUAL approach and should probably be looking at the runway. Not exactly sure what the captain/pilot monitoring is supposed to be doing at this point. Capt. eventually wakes up and says "100 and 50" I think. Bizarre.

Great callouts there SWA/FO - I'm sure much FOM-envy from all of us

Callouts sound very similiar to CAL operations. I agree just a tadbit too much talking. Maybe, it will dawn on somebody that you can still be the monitoring pilot and be somewhat silent.

 

[Captain X]

Callouts sound very similiar to CAL operations. I agree just a tadbit too much talking. Maybe, it will dawn on somebody that you can still be the monitoring pilot and be somewhat silent.

That's gonna require an "old dog" to learn "new tricks." But the old dog has to be willing to learn.