New FOs leaving CAL for Southwest

[SWA/FO]

This thread was certainly not my best showing. After all, it is - just a job. Being a good person is ultimately what takes the cake.

the SWA/FO agrees with the Scrapdog

Hey, if it floats their boat. So what if they leave CAL. Perhaps this sends a message to absurdly overpaid mgmt that health insurance for a pilot is a smal price to pay compared to the cost of recruitment, training... and oh yeah, employee loyalty.

I think the numbers are small (people leaving one company for another) and this is so far off of managements radar. Maybe a couple of dozen spots below executive compensation.

 

[Deerkiller]

Good luck with that. I predict Southwest will negotiate a CONCESSIONARY contract, the next round. The majors are all coming back, and the arrogance at Southwest will be crushed.

I really hope not. I dont know who you fly the 737 for(or maybe it's just a bought type rating for the intereview), but I'm at CAL and we have a contract coming up. Southwest has the highest paid 737 drivers in the country. It gives us a point to negotiate ABOVE in our next contract. I sincerely hope they keep those payrates. That way we can exceed them

 

[ASADFW7]

So what did we agree on? Some people buy Hummers because they have small logbooks?

 

[Tank68]

Here is what I know. I know I like my job and I hope you like yours. QOL is what I want not what you think I should want. To judge the quality of a pilot group and wish a concessionary contract on them because one or two pilots strike you as arrogant is just sad.

 

[atpcliff]

Hi!

I read that Delta is NOT getting the high % of AF/Navy mil fixed-wing guys applying that they had before, and they don't understand why. They're even taking !GASP! ARMY guys because they have so few mil applicants. Jet Blue is not getting the guys they were hoping for, hence the open houses all over the place.

cliff
YIP

 

[Benjamin Dover]

easy there kernal..... Airline flying has nothing to do with formation flying, bombing $hit, PX or the BOQ. You are a VFR F-teen pilot.

Our "callouts" are overkill here at Southwest and they are in place for kernal like you.

Didn't the flight ops "kernels" at SWA come up with those dumb-as$ callouts? In case anyone has not had the pleasure of jumpseating on Southwest on a visual approach, handflown, F/O's landing, it is actually kind of amusing. Apparently the F/O is required to call out altitudes "500, 400, 300, 200" even though he/she is hand flying a VISUAL approach and should probably be looking at the runway. Not exactly sure what the captain/pilot monitoring is supposed to be doing at this point. Capt. eventually wakes up and says "100 and 50" I think. Bizarre.

Great callouts there SWA/FO - I'm sure much FOM-envy from all of us

 

[GuppyWN]

The callouts suck. The captain callouts are discresionary but not the FO. They are designed so that every approach is the same - whether VFR or IFR. I think by this point in the game we know whether or not we're in the clouds.

That being said. They pay me to say them so I chant like crazy!

Gup

 

[Benjamin Dover]

That being said. They pay me to say them so I chant like crazy!

Gup

Well said gup - things that make you scratch your head and say "who's idea was this?" everywhere I guess. See you around the circuit - I'll be in the slow lane :laugh:

Ben

 

[Cobra]

Didn't the flight ops "kernels" at SWA come up with those dumb-as$ callouts? In case anyone has not had the pleasure of jumpseating on Southwest on a visual approach, handflown, F/O's landing, it is actually kind of amusing. Apparently the F/O is required to call out altitudes "500, 400, 300, 200" even though he/she is hand flying a VISUAL approach and should probably be looking at the runway. Not exactly sure what the captain/pilot monitoring is supposed to be doing at this point. Capt. eventually wakes up and says "100 and 50" I think. Bizarre.

Great callouts there SWA/FO - I'm sure much FOM-envy from all of us

Callouts sound very similiar to CAL operations. I agree just a tadbit too much talking. Maybe, it will dawn on somebody that you can still be the monitoring pilot and be somewhat silent.

 

[Captain X]

Callouts sound very similiar to CAL operations. I agree just a tadbit too much talking. Maybe, it will dawn on somebody that you can still be the monitoring pilot and be somewhat silent.

That's gonna require an "old dog" to learn "new tricks." But the old dog has to be willing to learn.

 

[Palomino]

Callouts sound very similiar to CAL operations. I agree just a tadbit too much talking. Maybe, it will dawn on somebody that you can still be the monitoring pilot and be somewhat silent.

except at CAL the flying pilot calls for configuration and checklists only. i (as flying pilot FO) don't say squat about baro/radar altitude on a visual or instrument approach. sounds pretty silly to me. that's the non-flying pilot's duty.

but since SWA pays well i could probably adjust my thinking...

 

[ERJFO]

What the f?

Is this place just a stepping stone to get the 737 type rating just to go to LUV? Is it common now to jump from major to major?

Have fun flying the 737 forever domestically. Oh, and say goodbye to ever flying the 787.

I'm sure they will also enjoy having more days off and making more money than your 777 pilots.

 

[Cobra]

except at CAL the flying pilot calls for configuration and checklists only. i (as flying pilot FO) don't say squat about baro/radar altitude on a visual or instrument approach. sounds pretty silly to me. that's the non-flying pilot's duty.

but since SWA pays well i could probably adjust my thinking...

Yes, I am intimately familiar with the procedures. Calling every 100 feet on the baro, 500' and below, causes the overall scan to be less "scanful".

 

[The Victors]

I really hope not. I dont know who you fly the 737 for(or maybe it's just a bought type rating for the intereview), but I'm at CAL and we have a contract coming up. Southwest has the highest paid 737 drivers in the country. It gives us a point to negotiate ABOVE in our next contract. I sincerely hope they keep those payrates. That way we can exceed them

Thank YOU!!! Finally someone gets it. SWA is the only company that is upholding the pay for the industry. EVERYONE should be happy about that and aspiring to get their pay back to those levels or HIGHER. These F ing idiots that keep puking out "swa will get theirs" are the problem with this profession by trying to bring swa down INSTEAD of bring themselves up!!!

 

[Wingsweep]

Hey BD

Didn't the flight ops "kernels" at SWA come up with those dumb-as$ callouts? In case anyone has not had the pleasure of jumpseating on Southwest on a visual approach, handflown, F/O's landing, it is actually kind of amusing. Apparently the F/O is required to call out altitudes "500, 400, 300, 200" even though he/she is hand flying a VISUAL approach and should probably be looking at the runway. Not exactly sure what the captain/pilot monitoring is supposed to be doing at this point. Capt. eventually wakes up and says "100 and 50" I think. Bizarre.

Great callouts there SWA/FO - I'm sure much FOM-envy from all of us

The term "kernal" identifies you with a group of know-nothing know-it-alls who probably tried to make it in the military, but couldn't because of some character flaw that would likely have gotten you named Guest of Honor at a series of well-deserved blanket parties. The fact you so casually mock an entire group of people that consistently passed rigorous scutiny by others more honorable than yourself, then likely risked their lives for you to be a pompous pr1ck any time you want, clearly identifies you in my mind. As far as your arrogant critique of SWA procedures, you're just plain FOS, and I hope the crews figure out who you are before you jump again. FAHWDYKMA ws

ps Interesting you picked the handle "Benjamin Dover" ws