In house negotiating committee at Colgan

[V1cutsrfun]

It seems to me that the big unknown is the common denominator here. Fear is conquered by facts....
It seems to me IMHO that there are 2 scenarious that both lead to a union organization.......without a committee

You Cannot even approach the topic of Committe negiotation until you realize who you will be negiotating with!!!

Lets start here with the Senators voting record... http://votesmart.org/issue_rating_category.php?can_id=BS023147&type=category&category=Labor

Scenario 1
After review you will see that the Senator voted his party lines consistant with the views on LABOR in the DEMS eyes. What is the AFLCIO.... a LABOR UNION!!
Its clear that over the years little has been accomplished with negiotiating with anyone in HEF. A "committe" would be a spineless entity that the company can ignore with NO recourse by the employee group. So here we sit after all these years and expect to bargain in good faith with a Committee, after all the BS that we endured, Jr manning, outstation basing, no per deim, antagonism from scheduling, threats....the list goes on and on and on. And the Senator votes to endorse a lobbyist group labor union the "AFLCIO" and their agenda. Vote one way when it costs you nothing....and fight another fight when it does cost you something?!?!?!? While his votes in the senate are going in one direction...we get the other direction at a company he owns!

Heres the catch.... the family did sell... we aren't dealing with them so much....they are merrily interim figure heads that report to the stock holders on wall street and the PCL managment that will ultimatly replace them....look at nearly every buyout in corp America, So FOLLOW the MONEY....vote one way...then bend over your own employee group..... Sure....a committee will work here....nope... We're back to ALPA talks again.

Scenario 2

PCL pilots have ALPA...they seemed to feel the need to have it there as well. Once the famialar faces are all done in HEF...you'll be dealing with the same Managment group at PCL that gave reason for the pilot group to organize there as well.....So now we talk ALPA here too......

Bottom line.....you CAN NOT negiotiate in good faith with someone that REPRESENTS a DIFFERENT interest when your interest is a barrier to the other's agenda, whether it is a PCL stock holder, PCL managment or ??????

A voting record that says one thing.....an employee group thats treated the other way.....you can't have two different opinons on a single issue!

And now you know

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[Gfunk27]

those of you who think some in house committee will accomplish anything are so deluded, why are you all so scared of the " U " word? A union won't end the company or make things any worse.. for sure, and major monetary gains may not be seen for quite a while, however what we do get is a real voice and some power when it comes time to bargain in good faith over all the issues that concern us. Even if you are leaving soon , you need to vote for the person that doesn't even work here yet.

 

[Gr82Aviate]

Take a look at Skywest's SAPA or JetBlue's Pilot Compensation Committee (I think that's what they call it). These two groups have absolutely no power, zero leverage, and therefore produce no results. Management still gives you whatever they want, because the independent "negotiating committee" has no real backing. The Skywest pilots ended up with a 1.5% raise for jet pilots, no raise at all for Brasilia pilots, and a very meager override on block-time for the 70- & 90-seaters. The JetBlue pilots were so upset at the raises that came for the EMB-190 and the complete lack of raises for the Airbus pilots that they now have a group of pilots meeting with ALPA to get an organizing drive started.

If you want any control over your career at all, you need a union. I hope you choose ALPA, but any union is better than none at all.

Please don't give our management credit for being so generous...Sadly, 1.5% is 50% more than they were able to afford to "give" us at this extremely profitable airline(we were allowed 1% to cover COLA over the last 61/2 and next 4 years)!

 

[TNHillbilly]

I think your wrong, I Rock was dead on. A union is a great thing for large companies where you want to be forever, but when you want to get in and get out it will only hinder us. Almost all the people i talked to who want a union are all the people that dont want to work.

What if you like Colgan and want to stay. I know this seems like a joke, but some people like it here and just want to make it better. Please don't use the get in and get out argument. Just go ahead and get out then. Those of us that are staying for a while will do what we think is best to make it better.

 

[Mr Wu]

With the addition of the Q400, Colgan is no longer a "Get in, get your time, get out" airline. Dr. King, when was the last time, if ever, you got draft pay for an added leg? I just got done with an 8 day, yes 8, and can't get draft pay for the 7th day.

 

[suupah]

I don't understand how an in house committee can accomploish anything. They have absolutely no bite.

 

[BirdCatcher]

With the addition of the Q400, Colgan is no longer a "Get in, get your time, get out" airline. Dr. King, when was the last time, if ever, you got draft pay for an added leg? I just got done with an 8 day, yes 8, and can't get draft pay for the 7th day.

Right on Mr Wu, the good ole days are over and it is time for the pilot group adjust and change with the times. Basic rule of business he who doesn't adjust to change with change is going to lose. Some support union, some support in house options, but something that we can all agree on is a need for change. We all need to educate ourselves with all options and make the best decision for ourselves. Personally, if we are going to go make change I say go all out and get the change that can actually offer each one of us protection and bargaining power.

 

[Dr King]

With the addition of the Q400, Colgan is no longer a "Get in, get your time, get out" airline. Dr. King, when was the last time, if ever, you got draft pay for an added leg? I just got done with an 8 day, yes 8, and can't get draft pay for the 7th day.

Once already this week. All you have to do is call Mickey or dot and if they feel you went out of your way for them they will give it to you

 

[Dr King]

Everyone is right that we need change, so istead of paying a union to get us nowhere over the next three years we should give the committee a chance. If it doesnt work then we only wasted a couple of months and then we can bring the union in.

 

[ColganCapt]

Everyone is right that we need change, so istead of paying a union to get us nowhere over the next three years we should give the committee a chance. If it doesnt work then we only wasted a couple of months and then we can bring the union in.

I have seen nothing official about a "committee". What's up with this?