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It seems to me that the big unknown is the common denominator here. Fear is conquered by facts....
It seems to me IMHO that there are 2 scenarious that both lead to a union organization.......without a committee
You Cannot even approach the topic of Committe negiotation until you realize who you will be negiotating with!!!
Lets start here with the Senators voting record... http://votesmart.org/issue_rating_category.php?can_id=BS023147&type=category&category=Labor
Scenario 1
After review you will see that the Senator voted his party lines consistant with the views on LABOR in the DEMS eyes. What is the AFLCIO.... a LABOR UNION!!
Its clear that over the years little has been accomplished with negiotiating with anyone in HEF. A "committe" would be a spineless entity that the company can ignore with NO recourse by the employee group. So here we sit after all these years and expect to bargain in good faith with a Committee, after all the BS that we endured, Jr manning, outstation basing, no per deim, antagonism from scheduling, threats....the list goes on and on and on. And the Senator votes to endorse a lobbyist group labor union the "AFLCIO" and their agenda. Vote one way when it costs you nothing....and fight another fight when it does cost you something?!?!?!? While his votes in the senate are going in one direction...we get the other direction at a company he owns!
Heres the catch.... the family did sell... we aren't dealing with them so much....they are merrily interim figure heads that report to the stock holders on wall street and the PCL managment that will ultimatly replace them....look at nearly every buyout in corp America, So FOLLOW the MONEY....vote one way...then bend over your own employee group..... Sure....a committee will work here....nope... We're back to ALPA talks again.
Scenario 2
PCL pilots have ALPA...they seemed to feel the need to have it there as well. Once the famialar faces are all done in HEF...you'll be dealing with the same Managment group at PCL that gave reason for the pilot group to organize there as well.....So now we talk ALPA here too......
Bottom line.....you CAN NOT negiotiate in good faith with someone that REPRESENTS a DIFFERENT interest when your interest is a barrier to the other's agenda, whether it is a PCL stock holder, PCL managment or ??????
A voting record that says one thing.....an employee group thats treated the other way.....you can't have two different opinons on a single issue!
And now you know
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It seems to me IMHO that there are 2 scenarious that both lead to a union organization.......without a committee
You Cannot even approach the topic of Committe negiotation until you realize who you will be negiotating with!!!
Lets start here with the Senators voting record... http://votesmart.org/issue_rating_category.php?can_id=BS023147&type=category&category=Labor
Scenario 1
After review you will see that the Senator voted his party lines consistant with the views on LABOR in the DEMS eyes. What is the AFLCIO.... a LABOR UNION!!
Its clear that over the years little has been accomplished with negiotiating with anyone in HEF. A "committe" would be a spineless entity that the company can ignore with NO recourse by the employee group. So here we sit after all these years and expect to bargain in good faith with a Committee, after all the BS that we endured, Jr manning, outstation basing, no per deim, antagonism from scheduling, threats....the list goes on and on and on. And the Senator votes to endorse a lobbyist group labor union the "AFLCIO" and their agenda. Vote one way when it costs you nothing....and fight another fight when it does cost you something?!?!?!? While his votes in the senate are going in one direction...we get the other direction at a company he owns!
Heres the catch.... the family did sell... we aren't dealing with them so much....they are merrily interim figure heads that report to the stock holders on wall street and the PCL managment that will ultimatly replace them....look at nearly every buyout in corp America, So FOLLOW the MONEY....vote one way...then bend over your own employee group..... Sure....a committee will work here....nope... We're back to ALPA talks again.
Scenario 2
PCL pilots have ALPA...they seemed to feel the need to have it there as well. Once the famialar faces are all done in HEF...you'll be dealing with the same Managment group at PCL that gave reason for the pilot group to organize there as well.....So now we talk ALPA here too......
Bottom line.....you CAN NOT negiotiate in good faith with someone that REPRESENTS a DIFFERENT interest when your interest is a barrier to the other's agenda, whether it is a PCL stock holder, PCL managment or ??????
A voting record that says one thing.....an employee group thats treated the other way.....you can't have two different opinons on a single issue!
And now you know
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