In house negotiating committee at Colgan

[Prop2Jet]

That is one interesting and well written series of questions!

 

[suupah]

Changed my life!!

 

[Fred Rogers]

I agree. ALPA is the best choice by far. Anyone who is still a "naysayer" needs to understand what is all involved / at stake. Send in your cards people!

 

[Prop2Jet]

I am still affected by that list of questions. What a smart individual. He/She should be the next President!

 

[A-V-8]

Take a look at Skywest's SAPA or JetBlue's Pilot Compensation Committee (I think that's what they call it). These two groups have absolutely no power, zero leverage, and therefore produce no results. Management still gives you whatever they want, because the independent "negotiating committee" has no real backing. The Skywest pilots ended up with a 1.5% raise for jet pilots, no raise at all for Brasilia pilots, and a very meager override on block-time for the 70- & 90-seaters. The JetBlue pilots were so upset at the raises that came for the EMB-190 and the complete lack of raises for the Airbus pilots that they now have a group of pilots meeting with ALPA to get an organizing drive started.

If you want any control over your career at all, you need a union. I hope you choose ALPA, but any union is better than none at all.

Mesa is ALPA. What bargaining power do we have. Skywest is far better than Mesa. This is not a very good arguement in my opinion. There is a difference in the way that management thinks about labor at those companies.

 

[Rez O. Lewshun]

Mesa is ALPA. What bargaining power do we have. Skywest is far better than Mesa. This is not a very good arguement in my opinion. There is a difference in the way that management thinks about labor at those companies.

So its the management?

 

[DrewBlows]

Mesa is ALPA. What bargaining power do we have. Skywest is far better than Mesa. This is not a very good arguement in my opinion. There is a difference in the way that management thinks about labor at those companies.

This is a neat comparison until you actually think about what you just said. Take the union away from Mesa and you guys would be working for minimum wage. Add a union at Skywest and who knows what would happen. I'm guessing they wouldn't get a big raise initially, but they could tighten up their work rules and work on the ASA/Skywest whipsaw (a merger of lists would be best in my opinion).

Skywest treats their employees well by any account. That wouldn't change with a union, because, apparently, it's a part of their business model. It wouldn't make business sense to all of a sudden oppose your employees because they decide to unionize.

Mesa, on the other hand, doesn't treat it's employees well, and wouldn't treat the employees well if they you went non-union. There is an adversarial relationship between the pilots and management. You could get rid of the adversarial relationship by voting ALPA off property, but it would cease to be adversarial only because one of the adversaries was gone, leaving management to give you what they want, which they have already expressed (it ain't much).

 

[Dr King]

I am still affected by that list of questions. What a smart individual. He/She should be the next President!

What a smart individual, written by ALPA lawyers who are paid with your dues.

 

[PCL_128]

Mesa is ALPA. What bargaining power do we have. Skywest is far better than Mesa. This is not a very good arguement in my opinion.

You have a lot of bargaining power thanks to the Mesa pilots who came before you that sacrificed quite a bit to achieve industry-leading scope language. Judging by your profile, you probably weren't around during the Feedumb debacle, but ask your more senior Captains about it. The bad contract you live under now is the result of having to buy iron-clad scope language to require JO to operate with only one seniority list. Now that JO can't outsource your flying, you have tremendous leverage in this round of negotiations. A strike would cripple Mesa. Don't underestimate your leverage.

 

[chicksdgme]

I thought this thread was about a pilot group not ALPA>

 

[Mr Wu]

I am still affected by that list of questions. What a smart individual. He/She should be the next President!

Or, He/She should join the organizing committee.

 

[Grey Ghost]

New hires, Stop complaining about the 1.9% dues and realize that all your work rules and potentially your pay and QOL may go up. without the union, it won't! Besides , it's tax deductible! If $$$ was so important, then you would'nt have applied there in the first place! Just think, potentially no more 16 hour "scheduled" days... no more being fired at will! these are just two major changes! there are many more to come...

 

[Dr King]

New hires, Stop complaining about the 1.9% dues and realize that all your work rules and potentially your pay and QOL may go up. without the union, it won't! Besides , it's tax deductible! If $$$ was so important, then you would'nt have applied there in the first place! Just think, potentially no more 16 hour "scheduled" days... no more being fired at will! these are just two major changes! there are many more to come...

First, a new hire does not need the tax advantage becasue they will recieve all of there money back anyway- they dont make enough to money to have anything withheld. Second, if you are worried about getting fired at will then you are either a bad pilot, or maybe have cursed at a mainline flight attendant. The four years I have been here I have seen maybe four people get fired.Thats not alot compared to the stories I have heard people get away with.

 

[Fred Rogers]

I'm real slow to be calling people "bad pilots". It's like Karma. You never know. Bad things happen to EXCELLENT pilots. Vigalance is paramount.

SEND IN YOUR ALPA CARDS COLGAN PILOTS!!!!!!!!!

 

[suupah]

anyone else smell a professional PR union consultant when lookin at the cpg website?