SkyWest Pay Proposal Passes

[ArcticFlier]

:bawling: :crying: :bawling: :crying: sorry ALPA isn't going to be your knight and shining armor anytime soon. It's not buying something. I do not want them and a lot of other people do not want them, therefore it is a paycut for at least us. Sorry the majority will probably never vote for ALPA. 30% of our pilots didn't even vote on the pay proposal. You can take comfort in the fact that we now get paid more to fly the 700/900

Ok......it's 'knight in shining armour'..........nor did I say it ever would be...................you know what they say about assumptions..........well, maybe you don't..........but I digress...........

It is buying something if you would like to have the backing of ALPA ie. legal, medical, CBA, etc.. Sort of like buying insurance for your home or car. You don't want the accident or watch your house burn down, but you insure yourself against it. Out of curiosity, did/would you willingly buy in if you were at an ALPA carrier?


You say a lot of other people don't want representation. A lot do as well, so we'll see.

You think we'll get paid more to fly the -7/900, and this pilot group probably will (unless you're based in a place like FAT.........no -7/900's, but don't expect an appreciable difference...............too many flaming hoops to jump through), but don't mistake it for a split. It ain't. It's an override, and there is a quantifiable difference. Can you see the differentiation?


AF

 

[FlySacto]

Ok......it's 'knight in shining armour'..........nor did I say it ever would be...................you know what they say about assumptions..........well, maybe you don't..........but I digress...........

It is buying something if you would like to have the backing of ALPA ie. legal, medical, CBA, etc.. Sort of like buying insurance for your home or car. You don't want the accident or watch your house burn down, but you insure yourself against it. Out of curiosity, did/would you willingly buy in if you were at an ALPA carrier?
AF

I don't think he will/would. I'd place bets though that he'll be on a SCAB list one day. See below:

I thank ALPA for all the things they have done however I still choose not to give them my money. That is my right. Until I am forced to I will not give them my money. Even when I am forced to I will still not join the union. Did you know that during a senority integration ALPA will not represent you? Thats right the MEC can force a merger fund at any time. You pay all those dues to alpa and they leave you flopping in the wind when merger time comes around. I sure will not put up with any extra forced assesment fees. You should ask a member of the OC about merger funds and see what they say. Any MEC can impose a merger fund any time they see fit. If you do not join the union you don't have to pay the assesments they force on the pilot group.

 

[Little Mojito]

I hardly ever post, as I merely come here for some laughs. But I have to ask: Why are all you OO pilots that constantly moan and groan on this board still working at OO? It would seem to me that If you are so unhappy/upset with the situation you would find another job. Shouldn't be too hard, seeing as how all you do is complain about how bad the pay is. It is beyond me to think that any of you accepted a position at OO with the intent of making that your career airline. On the other hand, if you did go to OO with that intent, then you should have researched a little better. I guess what I'm saying is that if you guys put as much effort into "moving on/getting on with another airline" as you do into your constant complaining, you might have a different job by now; and something knew to complain about. Bottom line: No one is holding a gun to your head...LEAVE. But whatever you do, stop with all the complaining.

 

[Gr82Aviate]

Gee. I must have missed something. I didn't realize that Skywest had a $1 BILLION dollar income last year.

Hey Ho-jets moron, look it up on page 37 of the July 2006 issue of Air Transport World... You'll see that SKYW is above UPS in net profit, read it for yourself, or have someone smarter than you read it to you!

 

[Gr82Aviate]

I hardly ever post, as I merely come here for some laughs. But I have to ask: Why are all you OO pilots that constantly moan and groan on this board still working at OO? It would seem to me that If you are so unhappy/upset with the situation you would find another job. Shouldn't be too hard, seeing as how all you do is complain about how bad the pay is. It is beyond me to think that any of you accepted a position at OO with the intent of making that your career airline. On the other hand, if you did go to OO with that intent, then you should have researched a little better. I guess what I'm saying is that if you guys put as much effort into "moving on/getting on with another airline" as you do into your constant complaining, you might have a different job by now; and something knew to complain about. Bottom line: No one is holding a gun to your head...LEAVE. But whatever you do, stop with all the complaining.

First of all, maybe some of us would like to make this a better place and like where we are based. Secondly, some of us weren't hired by SKYW but our previous employer was purchased by Skyw...and last but not least, you don't have to keep reading the Skyw threads if you don't like them...LEAVE!

 

[80for80]

Hey Ho-jets moron, look it up on page 37 of the July 2006 issue of Air Transport World... You'll see that SKYW is above UPS in net profit, read it for yourself, or have someone smarter than you read it to you!

Then how can it be that I make more than 2-3 times what you make?

 

[80for80]

Hey Ho-jets moron, look it up on page 37 of the July 2006 issue of Air Transport World... You'll see that SKYW is above UPS in net profit, read it for yourself, or have someone smarter than you read it to you!

Why don't you bring that data to your management and try and get a raise to our level then?

UPS profit tops $1 billion
Growth outlook affirmed
By Padraic Cassidy, MarketWatch




Last Update: 4:22 PM ET Oct 19, 2006






NEW YORK (MarketWatch) -- United Parcel Service's third-quarter earnings rose on higher average package volume.





The Atlanta-based company's revenue rose 10.5%, reaching $11.66 billion from $10.55 billion.
Analysts polled by Thomson First Call had forecast, on average, earnings of 90 cents a share and revenue of $11.65 billion.
In addition, UPS stuck to a 2006 forecast of 11% growth in per-share earnings.
The stock rose 3.9% to finish at $75.25.
"The small package business should be strong in the fourth quarter as we expect international deliveries and the U.S. holiday shipping period to be solid," said Scott Davis, chief financial officer.
The company's third-quarter daily ground volume increased 3.6%, while average daily volume for its next-day delivery by air service rose 1.0% and deferred air volume climbed 3.4%.

 

[Morning Wood]

First of all, maybe some of us would like to make this a better place and like where we are based. Secondly, some of us weren't hired by SKYW but our previous employer was purchased by Skyw...and last but not least, you don't have to keep reading the Skyw threads if you don't like them...LEAVE!

I can only assume you are talking about SunAire, because WestAir was not purchased by SkyWest.

 

[Gr82Aviate]

I can only assume you are talking about SunAire, because WestAir was not purchased by SkyWest.

You assume correctly.

 

[Gr82Aviate]

Then how can it be that I make more than 2-3 times what you make?

Doubt it, I have own my own business...By the way, I used to fly freight, and flying all night wasn't really something I wanted to do for the rest of my career so I went for a gig where I could be home with the wife and kids almost every night(mostly locals).

 

[RP170]

Yea! for the 1% pay raise. Combine that with an annual inflation rate of greater than 1%, and you all just voted in a net pay decrease. Good job.

Very true. Unfortunately, most won't look at it this way.

 

[RP170]

WOW, I honestly can't believe this passes. You guys are a farking joke! As someone else said, an over ride is NOT a split rate. What a bunch of clowns.

I agree. Apparently many didn't even know what they were voting on since they are talking about "split rates."

 

[jayme]

We're a joke because this passed?! Apparently you don't know how it works when you negotiate with NO leverage. If this was voted down, we would have seen another proposal next year with the shells moved around.

 

[Gnarloooo]

You're the joke because you voted for it. I still have my dignity.

 

[COOPERVANE]

Hellonewman. How OLD are you are you 13? Seriously, you are happy to vote in this crap override "as a building block" and "we'll do better next year" How much better is it going to get? Let us all know.

I disliked unions when I started in this business, and ALPA does not have all the answers, but I realized that this industry still needs them.

I am AMAZED at how many people are willing to wait until "next year" for another .45 cents, but if you mention ALPA they want the results NOW NOW NOW!!! You are willing to believe SKW MGMT will do the right thing "someday", yet you don't believe ALPA, with a little time could secure a MUCH BETTER contract at some point in the future.

Newman, do you even know how contract negotiations work? I'll 'splain it to you. You see, when a regional carrier gets a really GOOD contract, it gives ALL the other regionals leverage to negotiate a better contract. Sometimes they even leapfrog OVER the other regionals in pay/QOL etc. Then, this "raises the bar" for the other regionals and THEY have more leverage to do this again. The problem is when someone takes a substandard pay raise, or agrees to fly, say a larger airplane at the same rate as a smaller airplane, then ALL regionals lose significant leverage. All the regionals currently in negotiations will have your rates THROWN IN THEIR FACE. "Look, one of the most profitable regionals works for this rate, why can't you?"

So you'll just have to understand why we are not applauding your financial windfall. But you don't care cause you're gonna just get your 1000 hours and move along aren't you? Hey, thats a good plan. Never heard that one before!!

Now we'll see all the ALPA bashers reply with the "All ALPA carriers are doing worse than us" argument. Fine. bash away

 

[HelloNewman]

Hellonewman. How OLD are you are you 13? Seriously, you are happy to vote in this crap override "as a building block" and "we'll do better next year" How much better is it going to get? Let us all know.

I disliked unions when I started in this business, and ALPA does not have all the answers, but I realized that this industry still needs them.

I am AMAZED at how many people are willing to wait until "next year" for another .45 cents, but if you mention ALPA they want the results NOW NOW NOW!!! You are willing to believe SKW MGMT will do the right thing "someday", yet you don't believe ALPA, with a little time could secure a MUCH BETTER contract at some point in the future.

Newman, do you even know how contract negotiations work? I'll 'splain it to you. You see, when a regional carrier gets a really GOOD contract, it gives ALL the other regionals leverage to negotiate a better contract. Sometimes they even leapfrog OVER the other regionals in pay/QOL etc. Then, this "raises the bar" for the other regionals and THEY have more leverage to do this again. The problem is when someone takes a substandard pay raise, or agrees to fly, say a larger airplane at the same rate as a smaller airplane, then ALL regionals lose significant leverage. All the regionals currently in negotiations will have your rates THROWN IN THEIR FACE. "Look, one of the most profitable regionals works for this rate, why can't you?"

So you'll just have to understand why we are not applauding your financial windfall. But you don't care cause you're gonna just get your 1000 hours and move along aren't you? Hey, thats a good plan. Never heard that one before!!

Now we'll see all the ALPA bashers reply with the "All ALPA carriers are doing worse than us" argument. Fine. bash away

Hmmm well for some it is .45 cents for others its a few bucks. This depends on the aircraft you fly. The bottom line is we now get paid more to fly the 700/900. Yes it is an over ride but every minute we spend flying that plane gets paid a couple bucks more an hour. There is no true split rate because we do not have FOs or CAs that are strictly 700 or 900 pilots. We are qualified on all the aircraft. It is definately more efficent than having only 200 FOs or only 700 FOs etc. For this reason an over ride makes sense to me. With ALPA coming in how are we guaranteed anything? It has taken ASA over 4 years with no end in sight. That could possibly mean no raise at all for at least a couple years.

With this raise at least we have something to offset the dues should ALPA get voted in. I do not believe they will get voted in. 30% of our pilots didn't even bother to vote on the pay proposal. Basically this would have been turning down free money. Had we not voted this in then we would still be flying the planes for the same rate for the next year or two at the least. As far as raising the bar goes I think that contract negotiations are a personal thing between the company and the pilot group only. Each group is able to hammer out a different contract based on many factors. Express Jet was able to get their contract right after Mesa had signed their steamy turd of a contract. This shows me that what other pilot groups get paid do not have as large of an effect as one would think. That being said I simply wish to have each pilot group get the best deal that they can. I believe this was the best deal we could get at this point in time. The competition is still fierce. I do believe ASA will have a new contract soon. You can bet that when this happens we will have much more leverage.

I believe once ASA gets their deal we will be able to get a much larger raise and finally have the favor repaid. When this happens all airlines will be able to get better deals. The dust is finally starting to settle, we are all starting to emerge from one of the darkest periods in avation. Call me an optimist if you will. Management will not be able to use the 9/11 and/or economical excuse forever. The darkest days are behind us and we can all now move forward with hopes of better pay for all. We would all love to make more money. I believe all this can be achieved without ALPA at the helm. Hopefully this time the good times will last a lot longer than the bad times have. Almost the entire decade so far has been an awful time to be a pilot. Many sacrifices have been made but now as money is being made again the time has come for our sacrifices to be rewarded.

 

[SKYWRJGUY]

Never a dull moment here: sympathesizers, antagonists, realists, militants, the stupid, the naive and the biased. A little something for everyone and mostly for entertainment purposes...

 

[COOPERVANE]

I believe once ASA gets their deal we will be able to get a much larger raise and finally have the favor repaid. When this happens all airlines will be able to get better deals. The dust is finally starting to settle, we are all starting to emerge from one of the darkest periods in avation.

FAVOR? You did ASA a favor? That REALLY hit me wrong man

THIS IS MY WHOLE POINT. You are perfectly happy to use the backs of the ASA pilots, DUES PAYING UNION MEMBERS who have been negotiating for 4 years to your advantage. Don't want to see your precious 2% salary go to earn it yourself!!! ALL YOU CAN SEE IS THAT IT WILL HELP YOU DOWN THE LINE!!

YOU ARE NO DOUBT THE BIGGEST RETARD I'VE EVER SEEN ON THIS BOARD AND I'VE BEEN READING IT FOR A LONG TIME.

Banned with superkooter

 

[COOPERVANE]

This message is hidden because HelloNewman is on your ignore list.

 

[Gr82Aviate]

FAVOR? You did ASA a favor? That REALLY hit me wrong man

THIS IS MY WHOLE POINT. You are perfectly happy to use the backs of the ASA pilots, DUES PAYING UNION MEMBERS who have been negotiating for 4 years to your advantage. Don't want to see your precious 2% salary go to earn it yourself!!! ALL YOU CAN SEE IS THAT IT WILL HELP YOU DOWN THE LINE!!

YOU ARE NO DOUBT THE BIGGEST RETARD I'VE EVER SEEN ON THIS BOARD AND I'VE BEEN READING IT FOR A LONG TIME.

Banned with superkooter

Coopervane, Please don't think Newman is speaking for all of us...Some of us are trying hard to talk some sense into him and others like him(unfortunatly, we seem to have hired a lot like him in the last 24 months) With him and those like him, it's all about them and the heck with everyone else. They don't seem to "get it", and sadly I don't think they ever will. Best of luck to all of you with your real contract, and just know that many of us are behind you all the way!