Skyw pay vote

[Nightrain_080]

Not a bad place to be but?

If you factor in inflation, by 2010 it will be a 12% pay cut. Not counting any union dues. And the margins stay the same but revenues and profits are up...so there's more money and the same margin. Nothing washes the right way unless you're skyw management

Wow 2010. Not to knock anyone with Regional aspirations but hopefully half of the 2500 pilots will have or be ready to move on somewhere else by then.
Remember your a liability at Skywest after 5 years.

As a side note, Why hasn't SAPA requested Ron R. or Jerry A. accompany Brad at one of the many pay (prayer) meetings? Didn't Woody the Sapa Legend have some big wigs present at past 80's/90's meetings?

 

[HelloNewman]

Newman you are an embarassment to all Skywest pilots. "Live for yourself" is that a line you told a girl while wearing your pilot uiniform at the bar? Im on the bro, soon to be RJ and the $340 a year raise is not worth my dignity nor the message i send fellow pilots. What is that message you ask " ******************** you management keep filthy raise", no more personal cell phone use while holding short of the runway for mx, no more busting my balls to make an ridiculous 22 mst plane swap. And oh yeah i will vote for alpa so i don't have to fly struck work if ASA goes.

A lot of pilots I fly with feel the same way as I do. We have quite good logical conversations about how life is pretty good at skywest. The internet brings out a lot of chest thumpers. In the end though it is mostly all talk. 2 days left to vote. Everyone should vote no matter how they feel about the pay agreement! We will all know soon enough.

If the agreement is voted down the conversation will go something like this. BH: so the pilots voted down the pay agreement again. RR: Sweet even more money we saved. I don't think it will send them any other message than that. They won't even blink. My parents always taught me never turn down free money. I think I will go with the wisdom of my parents over a few angry pilots on the internet.

 

[Gr82Aviate]

A lot of pilots I fly with feel the same way as I do. We have quite good logical conversations about how life is pretty good at skywest. The internet brings out a lot of chest thumpers. In the end though it is mostly all talk. 2 days left to vote. Everyone should vote no matter how they feel about the pay agreement! We will all know soon enough.

If the agreement is voted down the conversation will go something like this. BH: so the pilots voted down the pay agreement again. RR: Sweet even more money we saved. I don't think it will send them any other message than that. They won't even blink. My parents always taught me never turn down free money. I think I will go with the wisdom of my parents over a few angry pilots on the internet.

Are you and "all those pilots you fly with that feel the same way you do" commuting to work together on the "short bus"?

 

[embdrvr]

SkyNate and NewWoman are a pair of young FO's with a bad case of SJS.
They are typical of the younger generation.
They're probably still playing video games in their parent's basement. The wakeup call that comes with a mortgage and a couple of kids will come later.

They'd sell their mothers out for the right price. Selling out their coworkers and thousands of pilots at other regionals for a couple of hundred bucks per year in override and a one percent raise is just the tip of the iceberg for these pussies.

I'm just hoping ASA pilots get a decent contract so we don't have to worry about a strike.

 

[HelloNewman]

SkyNate and NewWoman are a pair of young FO's with a bad case of SJS.
They are typical of the younger generation.
They're probably still playing video games in their parent's basement. The wakeup call that comes with a mortgage and a couple of kids will come later.

They'd sell their mothers out for the right price. Selling out their coworkers and thousands of pilots at other regionals for a couple of hundred bucks per year in override and a one percent raise is just the tip of the iceberg for these pussies.

I'm just hoping ASA pilots get a decent contract so we don't have to worry about a strike.

I don't live with my parents and I have a mortage. I am making all the bills and then some on FO pay. I also save into my retirement plan and still have a bit left over. I don't understand why guys get so angry when a guy just likes his job. I do my locals and 2-day trips and go home. I don't get all wrapped up in everything else. Life is good to me. I have a good schedule, plenty of time off, go on vacation all the time. I don't really have a care in the world at this point in time. I also admit I do not have kids at this point in time. Perhaps some day later down the road. I will wait until my fast upgrade comes for that so I can afford kids. I have been here over 2 years just waiting for the domicile of my choice. Why do you guys hate it so much when someone simply likes his job? Life is too short to be bitter. We are only here for a limited amount of time. Why not enjoy your life to the fullest? If aviation does not make you happy then find something it does. Bringing in unions and all that stuff, some guys just make this stuff way to complicated.

I find it quite hysterical on here that guys just love to find someone that is happy with his life and try to piss in his cherrios and try and teach me how bad my life is. Sorry I can think for myself and life is good! Later

 

[embdrvr]

I don't live with my parents and I have a mortage. I am making all the bills and then some on FO pay. I also save into my retirement plan and still have a bit left over.

I don't understand why guys get so angry when a guy just likes his job. I do my locals and 2-day trips and go home.

I have a good schedule, plenty of time off, go on vacation all the time.

Bringing in unions and all that stuff, some guys just make this stuff way to complicated.

I find it quite hysterical on here that guys just love to find someone that is happy with his life and try to piss in his cherrios and try and teach me how bad my life is. Sorry I can think for myself and life is good! Later

You're full of crap. Or you live in a gawddam.n ghetto. Tell us where you're domiciled. Or perhaps you're another one of those career changers who made their money doing something else and can afford being an FO as a hobby. Or your wife makes serious coin. Which is it? Got news for ya buddy. When you have kids running around you might want the wife staying home tending to them. You need money to do that. And it's not easy even on RJ captain pay unless you commute from east bumfark, Nebraska if you want the kids in a decent school.

Nobody is angry because you like your job. We're pissed because you've expressed a desire to cheapen the profession. Have you compared your rates with ASA's rates on the 700's?

Your job wouldn't be so pleasant if it wasn't for the efforts of ALPA. Guys like you haven't got a clue because you take everything for granted. How much of that nifty safety gear was installed because airlines thought it would be a good idea. Practically everything that keeps your moronic a$$ out of the weeds came from people dying and ALPA lobbying to make stuff like GPWS, EGPWS, TCAS, wx radar, etc. required equipment. Why do you think CVR recording can't be used against you for disciplinary action? The ATA or ALPA?

So what happens if ASA forces a seniority integration? That 2 year upgrade might go out the window.

When the effects of SJS wear off you might see things differently Newgal.

 

[HelloNewman]

You're full of crap. Or you live in a gawddam.n ghetto. Tell us where you're domiciled. Or perhaps you're another one of those career changers who made their money doing something else and can afford being an FO as a hobby. Or your wife makes serious coin. Which is it? Got news for ya buddy. When you have kids running around you might want the wife staying home tending to them. You need money to do that. And it's not easy even on RJ captain pay unless you commute from east bumfark, Nebraska if you want the kids in a decent school.

Nobody is angry because you like your job. We're pissed because you've expressed a desire to cheapen the profession. Have you compared your rates with ASA's rates on the 700's?

Your job wouldn't be so pleasant if it wasn't for the efforts of ALPA. Guys like you haven't got a clue because you take everything for granted. How much of that nifty safety gear was installed because airlines thought it would be a good idea. Practically everything that keeps your moronic a$$ out of the weeds came from people dying and ALPA lobbying to make stuff like GPWS, EGPWS, TCAS, wx radar, etc. required equipment. Why do you think CVR recording can't be used against you for disciplinary action? The ATA or ALPA?

So what happens if ASA forces a seniority integration? That 2 year upgrade might go out the window.

When the effects of SJS wear off you might see things differently Newgal.

Wow.... That is about all I can say. I won't say exactly where I am based however it is not any of the california or brasillia bases. That should narrow it down a bit. I am paying my own bills, living on my own and doing well. Some people are good with money, some are not good with money. That is what it really boils down to. As far as kids go public school is fine with me. I went through public school and did just fine. My wife also went through public school and did just fine. Both of my parents worked and both of her parents worked. You are simply trying to make things sound worse than they really are. If we do not vote in ALPA I do not see a senority integration anytime in the future. This is yet another reason not to vote for ALPA and why it probably will not pass.

I thank ALPA for all the things they have done however I still choose not to give them my money. That is my right. Until I am forced to I will not give them my money. Even when I am forced to I will still not join the union. Did you know that during a senority integration ALPA will not represent you? Thats right the MEC can force a merger fund at any time. You pay all those dues to alpa and they leave you flopping in the wind when merger time comes around. I sure will not put up with any extra forced assesment fees. You should ask a member of the OC about merger funds and see what they say. Any MEC can impose a merger fund any time they see fit. If you do not join the union you don't have to pay the assesments they force on the pilot group.

How exactly is making a livable wage cheapening the profession? Every pilot group negociates their own contract. It has been done this way since flying has started. I am not the keeper of the flame. It is not my job to make more money than everyone else. It is my job to goto work, do my job and go home. I do not care about anything else if I can be quite frank. I do just fine and I don't need someone else telling me what I should be making. I can decide that for myself. If the vote passes then that means the majority has decided what is a livable wage. Also if ALPA is voted down it means we do not need nor want their help. It is all about what the majority wants. If the above happens then it is proof you are just the angry/vocal minority.

 

[embdrvr]

Dipsh.it,

You're so new to this profession and the company that you haven't realized that our wages are actually going down. That's right. 6 years ago we made money. Even when you factor in longevity pay you're still losing. LESS MONEY TODAY THAN 6 YEARS AGO. Does that factor into your limted mental capacity? Do you think the new pay deal will reverse that trend?

Glad to hear you won't join the union. The union will do fine without you. There's enough people that care about their fututre to take care of business. You'll just go on like you have your entire life taking everything for granted. Don't worry. Slackers like you have been carried for a long time.

Tell me something. You ever worked a real job? Framed a house? Poured concrete? Worked on a fishing boat in Alaska one summer? Or you one of those guys that just went straight from the college classroom to aviation?

 

[Gr82Aviate]

Dipsh.it,

You're so new to this profession and the company that you haven't realized that our wages are actually going down. That's right. 6 years ago we made money. Even when you factor in longevity pay you're still losing. LESS MONEY TODAY THAN 6 YEARS AGO. Does that factor into your limted mental capacity? Do you think the new pay deal will reverse that trend?

Glad to hear you won't join the union. The union will do fine without you. There's enough people that care about their fututre to take care of business. You'll just go on like you have your entire life taking everything for granted. Don't worry. Slackers like you have been carried for a long time.

Tell me something. You ever worked a real job? Framed a house? Poured concrete? Worked on a fishing boat in Alaska one summer? Or you one of those guys that just went straight from the college classroom to aviation?

Thanks for trying to talk some sense into Newman, I've tried too but just haven't been able to get reality through his thick skull... Maybe NewPoo and SkyNation just don't have to deal with the ever rising costs of inflation with their SkyWest paychecks because mommy and daddy keep raising their allowance?

 

[HelloNewman]

Dipsh.it,

You're so new to this profession and the company that you haven't realized that our wages are actually going down. That's right. 6 years ago we made money. Even when you factor in longevity pay you're still losing. LESS MONEY TODAY THAN 6 YEARS AGO. Does that factor into your limted mental capacity? Do you think the new pay deal will reverse that trend?

Glad to hear you won't join the union. The union will do fine without you. There's enough people that care about their fututre to take care of business. You'll just go on like you have your entire life taking everything for granted. Don't worry. Slackers like you have been carried for a long time.

Tell me something. You ever worked a real job? Framed a house? Poured concrete? Worked on a fishing boat in Alaska one summer? Or you one of those guys that just went straight from the college classroom to aviation?

Went straight from the classroom to aviaton. Never felt the need to do that other stuff. If you did that is great however I don't need to do that blue collar stuff to realize the real world. No sir I am living in the real world now. Have a mortage, paying the bills and still have the money to play. I am sure you hate it to hear that but its the truth. It sure is great being based in a place where housing costs are still kinda low.

Tell you what I will vote in ALPA if they can set it up so the people who want to don't have to pay dues. Either way I have no problem being carried around if you feel the need to. I am doing just fine and don't really need a union carrying me around. Hey though if you all feel like it then be my guest.

 

[OO pilot]

I sympathize with the bro folks but most of them will be in the RJ in a few years anyway...

That is such an ignorant comment.
Now tell me how all those guys living in SAN, SBP, MRY, PDX and who love being there for obvious reason are supposed to "transition" to the Jet in 2 years ??? That's why you have very senior guys flying the EMB. That also applies to SBA where a 9 year Captain would still be on reserve in the RJ but not in the EMB.

 

[OO pilot]

The effects on the industry really do not concern me. The others in the industry will end up doing whats best for them one way or the other. I am most concerned with padding my wallet and saving union dues money. You have to live for the moment and yourself. You can not spend your life worrying about everyone else.

I can't believe I'm reading this....such arrogance and selfishness. It's sickening.
You're definitely part of the "new breed"

 

[OO pilot]

Went straight from the classroom to aviaton. Never felt the need to do that other stuff.

Well, that explains everything. No curiosity, no imagination, no big picture, no prospective on life whatsoever.
You have a job and you have a mortgage so you think you have it all figured out?
Let me ask you, since you're living the dream as a single guy and a pilot, how many trips have you taken since you've had your travel benefits? (and I'm not talking about Vegas), I mean how many countries have you explored? how many week-ends to Rome or Tokyo, how many stamps in your passport?
Not many is my guess...because "Never felt the need to do that other stuff".....damn! you are living the dream

 

[FlySacto]

<--run Away!!! Find The Red Pill!!!

Wow.... That is about all I can say. I won't say exactly where I am based however it is not any of the california or brasillia bases. That should narrow it down a bit. I am paying my own bills, living on my own and doing well. Some people are good with money, some are not good with money. That is what it really boils down to. As far as kids go public school is fine with me. I went through public school and did just fine. My wife also went through public school and did just fine. Both of my parents worked and both of her parents worked. You are simply trying to make things sound worse than they really are. If we do not vote in ALPA I do not see a senority integration anytime in the future. This is yet another reason not to vote for ALPA and why it probably will not pass.
SNIP
How exactly is making a livable wage cheapening the profession? Every pilot group negociates their own contract. It has been done this way since flying has started. I am not the keeper of the flame. It is not my job to make more money than everyone else. It is my job to goto work, do my job and go home. I do not care about anything else if I can be quite frank. I do just fine and I don't need someone else telling me what I should be making. I can decide that for myself. If the vote passes then that means the majority has decided what is a livable wage. Also if ALPA is voted down it means we do not need nor want their help. It is all about what the majority wants. If the above happens then it is proof you are just the angry/vocal minority.

Morpheus: you are a slave, "HelloNeoman". Like everyone else, you were born into bondage, born inside a prison that you cannot smell, taste, or touch. A prison for your mind. (long pause, sighs) Unfortunately, no one can be told what the Regional Airline Industry is. You have to see it for yourself. This is your last chance. After this, there is no turning back.
(In his left hand, Morpheus shows a blue pill.)
Morpheus: You take the blue pill and the story ends. You wake in your bed and believe whatever you want to believe. (a red pill is shown in his other hand) You take the red pill and you stay in Wonderland and I show you how deep the rabbit-hole goes. (Long pause; "HelloNeoman begins to reach for the red pill) Remember -- all I am offering is the truth, nothing more.

WOW...Then you jumped on the blue pill!!!

Wow.... That is about all I can say. I won't say exactly where I am based however it is not any of the california or brasillia bases. That should narrow it down a bit. I am paying my own bills, living on my own and doing well. Some people are good with money, some are not good with money. That is what it really boils down to.

Like "OO" said. We all don't live out in BFE. We also have kids we send to school. I contribute both time and money to my kids schools that test as the best in the district. Out here in California your 200k house will buy you a place with empty 40's in the yard every morning and the sound of gunshots at night. I work this job, my business, and my wife has two businesses. I guess we're good with money too. We drive old cars that I can repair, buy the kids books, educational toys, and take them on trips to learn about the world around them. I guess we're all supposed to live next door to you and commute. Five days a week away from the wife and kids isn't what I'm going to do.

You are simply trying to make things sound worse than they really are.

Reality says this pay proposal ignores hundreds of your fellow pilots and is a pitance to compensate those who made a 18 month agreement to the company. Tell us again, when did they last get a payraise while the company grew like gangbusters creating a flying job for both of us, and has pulled in major profits? Check this out:

http://finapps.forbes.com/finapps/jsp/finance/compinfo/CIAtAGlance.jsp?tkr=SKYW

Take 153million in profits and divide by 2500 pilots. Divide that by 12 months. Divide that by 120 hours in a month credit. Looks like the company profited $42.57/credit hour per pilot. You must be proud of that 35 cents and the fact that you will get 0.82% of the companies profit as a reward for voting yes! They will keep 99 cents on the dollar and be done talking to you. I really like SkyWest!. I never applied to another airline as I had followed them for years before I ever set foot in the door. Without a doubt the best run regional bar none, with a brilliant managment team. I enjoy working there and have nothing but good things to say about the people there. But, I do think managment can easily stand to reward the pilot groups with more than what has been offered, and fix some things for those folks who worked to help make it all happen. I'm not an accountant so someone explain it to me.

How exactly is making a livable wage cheapening the profession? Every pilot group negociates their own contract. It has been done this way since flying has started. I am not the keeper of the flame. It is not my job to make more money than everyone else. It is my job to goto work, do my job and go home. I do not care about anything else if I can be quite frank. I do just fine and I don't need someone else telling me what I should be making. I can decide that for myself.

You are the "keeper of the flame". Can't you see that? What does the word APATHY mean to you?

 

[embdrvr]

Went straight from the classroom to aviaton. Never felt the need to do that other stuff. If you did that is great however I don't need to do that blue collar stuff to realize the real world.

Who paid for your college education and flight training? Be honest.

Those of us who did that blue collar work to pay their way through school and get their flight ratings have a much different take on things. It all goes back to taking everything for granted. Kids that haven't worked a day in their life can have a blase attitude like yours because they didn't do squat to get where they are. If you pounded nails or drove a truck all day so you could afford that evening's flight lesson you'd understand.

I didn't mean to infer that you had to put the kids in private school for them to get an education. You do need to live in a fairly upscale area though. The better public schools are where the property taxes and home values are higher.

 

[HelloNewman]

Who paid for your college education and flight training? Be honest.

Those of us who did that blue collar work to pay their way through school and get their flight ratings have a much different take on things. It all goes back to taking everything for granted. Kids that haven't worked a day in their life can have a blase attitude like yours because they didn't do squat to get where they are. If you pounded nails or drove a truck all day so you could afford that evening's flight lesson you'd understand.

I didn't mean to infer that you had to put the kids in private school for them to get an education. You do need to live in a fairly upscale area though. The better public schools are where the property taxes and home values are higher.

I split the bill with my parents to be honest. I paid about half and they paid about half. I freely admit I lived at home throughout college. I also worked a lot of odd jobs to raise the money that I needed. I was assistant manager at a store, worked a restaurant, worked customer service, worked the ramp for a few months. I was able to make/save enough money to pay as I went. I ended up debt free out of college. That saves me a lot of money right there. I have no money at all going toward student loans.

I wouldn't say I have a blase attitude. I just freely admit that life is good to me and I enjoy what I do. I also think I do pretty well for myself. I worked plenty of jobs through college and this job pays better than all of them. Especially for the captains. You do have to subtract first year pay of course. First year pay is pretty much bad everywhere though. You have to live for the moment. You can't always live in fear of the future you just have to live to today and see what tomorrow brings.

 

[HelloNewman]

Thanks for trying to talk some sense into Newman, I've tried too but just haven't been able to get reality through his thick skull... Maybe NewPoo and SkyNation just don't have to deal with the ever rising costs of inflation with their SkyWest paychecks because mommy and daddy keep raising their allowance?

I have lived on my own quite a while now. No more allowance for me, except the sweet check I get from skywest twice a month of course. That is plenty of allowance for me. Cost of living and inflation is going up everywhere. A lot of jobs do not have COLA and don't have raises for years at a time. Even with inflation where it is I still get by just fine. Admittedly I have no children. When I make Captain pay however I will also be able to afford children. I know the vocal minority want to convince me how bad I have it. I will not fall for that. I do not want to turn into a sour grapes person.

Well, that explains everything. No curiosity, no imagination, no big picture, no prospective on life whatsoever.
You have a job and you have a mortgage so you think you have it all figured out?
Let me ask you, since you're living the dream as a single guy and a pilot, how many trips have you taken since you've had your travel benefits? (and I'm not talking about Vegas), I mean how many countries have you explored? how many week-ends to Rome or Tokyo, how many stamps in your passport?
Not many is my guess...because "Never felt the need to do that other stuff".....dang! you are living the dream

I have been to europe once and Mexico a few times for vacation. I admit I hate to non-rev. I hate dealing with the loads, security, etc. Basically the airport is the last place I want to go on my days off. I go on plenty of trips but I also like enjoying my days off at home. I have been on many adventures throughout the US. I will eventually go to other places for now however I like to enjoy my days off here at home. We are going on a trip to the east coast soon. Boston, DC, Manhattan. My Passport does not have many stamps yet but the night is still young. Plenty of time to explore asia/europe later.

If I had worked the construction jobs, etc I would still have the same attitude. we get paid pretty well for what we do. The raise we get will help even more. It would be nice to get COLA,etc however sometimes these things just are not realistic. I know people love to point to the profits. The margin is pretty thin and there really isn't as much wiggle room as you thing. The margin keeps shrinking. This fee per departure gig sucks. If we were making our own money like that I would say a large raise would be warranted. Unfortunately we are at the mercy of the majors we work for.

 

[BoilerUP]

It would be nice to get COLA,etc however sometimes these things just are not realistic.

And with that statement, I hope you are NEVER negotiating on behalf of the pilot group I work for.

I'm glad to know you enjoy your job and are satisfied with your level of compensation...but DAMN guy lay off the koolaid. Ever heard the saying "You're only worth what you negotiate"?

 

[SkyNation]

ATTENTION MORONS

I'm almost 40, a career changer, 3rd airline. My wife and I worked to pay for my flight training/pay off debt from my undergrad. I got zero help from parents, but I did get some grants/scholarships. We have children, and she no longer works. I live in SLC, which I know is cheap compared to LA or NY but our home is valued at over $400,000. Our mortgage is our only debt, because we've been diligent to avoid debt and pay it off. We get no help from parents or friends, it's just us. I have a great life, really enjoy my job, and am optimistic about the future.

if that is all so objectionable to you, then so be it.

 

[embdrvr]

I know people love to point to the profits. The margin is pretty thin and there really isn't as much wiggle room as you thing. The margin keeps shrinking. This fee per departure gig sucks. If we were making our own money like that I would say a large raise would be warranted. Unfortunately we are at the mercy of the majors we work for.

Fat dumb and stupid is no way to go through life Newman.

The margin isn't thin. You just don't pay attention when Brad Rich explains why the margin APPEARS thin to the investment community. Let me explain it to you.

SkyWest gets reimbursed for fuel by the customers (UAL and DAL).
Airplanes require lots of fuel. Your captain is doing his best to use as little of it as he can but it still takes a lot for those GE fans to keep spinning.
The price of fuel has gone up a lot lately. Reference Bush's invasion of Iraq and instability in the mideast.

When SkyWest gets reimbursed for the fuel it has to recognize that money as REVENUE. Reference GAAP (generally accepted accounting principals)

That revenue is a direct pass-through cost. SkyWest cannot mark up the cost of fuel to the customers. Thus the more fuel costs the more SkyWest profits are diluted.

If you take away the fuel cost reimbursement you'll see a healthy profit margin in the low teens. Jerry, Ron, and Brad are thankful that the pilot ranks are infected with ignorant mother-********************ahs like you who believe the sky is falling. You need to allocate a few hours a quarter to read or listen to the quarterly investor conference calls and educate yourself. Noone is going to do that for you.