Skyw pay vote

[capt. megadeth]

They answer to the folks who sign their paycheck, not you.
Pretty arrogant bunch that doesn't handle criticism well from what I can tell.

I understand that but they should answer to the group they supposedly represent. What do they have to be arrogant about? They can't even negotiate a fair pay package. Obviously they are all on the RJ....otherwise they would be singing a different tune. It's a shame that everyone is so much about themselves to the point they just sell others down the river right in front of their face. I know I don't work there but I just wanted to tell them they should be ashamed of themselves.

 

[MarineGrunt]

1% is just as, if not more insulting than no raise at all.... If I were on the Bro, I'd probably be laughing and saying - "enjoy you're extra $300/yr boys!"

 

[capt. megadeth]

1% is just as, if not more insulting than no raise at all.

I agree completely.

 

[PCL_128]

Rick,
That might have gone out in an ALPA FASTREAD email as well. I can't remember for sure if it was in the magazine or in a FASTREAD email. Does anyone save the FASTREAD's?

Couldn't find it in any of the Fastreads, but I did find it in a message that Captain Woerth sent to the BOD. Here it is:

Port Security Bill, PBGC, RFPs – Oct. 2, 2006

This is a message to the Board of Directors on Monday, October 2. I have three issues to brief.

The first issue is the continued attacks on American workers’ right to strike, particularly transportation workers. As you know, Congress has recessed, but before they left, there were some astoundingly egregious attempts to further erode workers’ rights to strike, particularly in transportation. In the Port Security bill that went to conference, there was an attempt to introduce language to equate a legal strike by port workers with an act of terrorism, and that would allow the president to mobilize the armed forces to take over the docks in the event of a strike. We mobilized the Transportation Trades Department of the AFL-CIO instead and had that language killed.

In the same Port Security bill, attempts were made to legislate language about crimes that would prohibit transportation workers from being allowed to work and get a security clearance. Transportation-security-incident language was introduced to make it possible to interpret participation in a legal strike as a disqualifying event to work in transportation. Again, we had to work extremely hard in the late hours before Congress left to get that language killed, but we did. Transportation workers, you are not paranoid. They are out to get you and limit your rights as free Americans.

This seems like a good time to remind our members about the importance of the ALPA-PAC. The economic climate for our industry is improving—rapidly—but if we do not maximize our ability to change the political climate as soon as possible in this November’s election, our rights will be further diminished.

Secondly, I want to update you on the continued threats and intimidation tactics that managements are using in the RFP, or Request For Proposal, process, both in the Delta and Northwest bankruptcies in the fee-for-departure capacity contest. Mesaba has continued to be threatened in the bankruptcy process. Pinnacle pilots are being pressured to accept an inferior contract to “win” the Northwest contract flying. Comair is also in the bankruptcy process, and in its wholly owned status with Delta, that sham bid process is exposed to an even greater extent. And, of course, the pilots of Atlantic Southeast are demanding resolution to their over-four-year struggle to get a new contract by a request to the National Mediation Board to be released.

Again, that all of this is coming to a head in the RFP world at the same time is no accident. This RFP process is the last desperate act by management as the bankruptcy era comes to an end.

Item #3: The Pension Benefit Guarantee Corporation is up to its predictable behavior of trying to extort, this time, Delta Airlines over its pension plan termination. They did the same thing at United. In fact, the PBGC is trying to make pension plan termination a profit center for itself, just like the ATSB did. The PBGC is composed of political appointees, just like the ATSB was.

Did I mention the ALPA-PAC already?
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[HelloNewman]

Pay vote prediction:
It passes with 60% or more voting yes.
SKYW pilots have a history of ignoring the effects their decision has on the rest of the industry.
And SAPA (Selling out All Pilots Apologetically) aka the SKYW future management club is encouraging everyone to vote yes by proclaiming it as a giant victory. Yahoo we've split the scales and got an expiration date.
BFD. Forget about the EMB drivers. They can fly the jet if they want a raise. Plus they already make more than GLA and Mesa. Why should they be able to participate?
Forget about debating the merits of the TA.
Which SAPA rep will be the next CP or other managment position as a reward for pulling the wool over the pilot's eyes?

The effects on the industry really do not concern me. The others in the industry will end up doing whats best for them one way or the other. I am most concerned with padding my wallet and saving union dues money. You have to live for the moment and yourself. You can not spend your life worrying about everyone else. This is why I vote yes for the raise and no for the union. Lets face it the EMB is a dying breed. We can thank our friends at MESA for all the new weight restrictions placed on the EMB. Don't worry it only takes a year to get off the brasillia. Pulling the wool over the pilots eyes? Please you sound like a dramatic high school girl. It is what it is. A payraise. Not the greatest but not the worst either. I also predict a pass but we will see in a couple of days.

 

[HelloNewman]

I understand that but they should answer to the group they supposedly represent. What do they have to be arrogant about? They can't even negotiate a fair pay package. Obviously they are all on the RJ....otherwise they would be singing a different tune. It's a shame that everyone is so much about themselves to the point they just sell others down the river right in front of their face. I know I don't work there but I just wanted to tell them they should be ashamed of themselves.

It's not selling everyone else out. The brasillia boys have had a choice for years to come to the RJ. They decide not to which is their right. They like the base they live in and that is fine. The Brasillias days are numbered unfortunately. In 2003 when Mesa and their crap maintenance imposed all these weight restrictions is where the real problem lies. You can thank Mesa for no raise on the brasillia. No worry though there are plenty of openings on the RJ. The brasillia is a dying fleet anyway. We can all say THANKS MESA for that one.

 

[FmrFreightDog]

ahh.. nevermind.

 

[Gr82Aviate]

What happens after that? The obvious logic if you're not happy with the pay proposal is to take the free money now, and vote in alpa later.

If you don't take the money and the alpa vote fails...then what?

I sympathize with the bro folks but most of them will be in the RJ in a few years anyway.

This isn't a union negotiation, we can't vote no and expect to see a better offer next week...

Where do you get this "free money crap" you keep talking about??? Last time I checked we haven't had a cost of living increase since your hire date the year before 9/11... but you probably haven't even been here that long!

 

[Gr82Aviate]

Voted No!. This proposal benefits the same top 1/3rd. "If your on the jet." The same group that loves and endorses PBS. BHO is another appendix D nightmare!

Don't plan on being at OO by 2010 but I still won't float the Brasildoe drivers down the river.

CA Chow!!!

I'm in the top 1/3 and it doesn't benefit me and I don't "love or endorse PBS!!!

 

[FlySacto]

<---not the only Clown!

It's not selling everyone else out. The brasillia boys have had a choice for years to come to the RJ. They decide not to which is their right. They like the base they live in and that is fine. The Brasillias days are numbered unfortunately. In 2003 when Mesa and their crap maintenance imposed all these weight restrictions is where the real problem lies. You can thank Mesa for no raise on the brasillia. No worry though there are plenty of openings on the RJ. The brasillia is a dying fleet anyway. We can all say THANKS MESA for that one.

Why don't you walk into the crew lounge in SLC, SFO, or LAX and proudly tell all the Brasilia people this? Are these guys and gals supposed to say, "Gee, let's blame Mesa for us not getting a pay increase for the better part of ten years"? I'd say that most likely they will say there were enough SkyWest jet people DESPERATE for a chance to make 3 minutes pay an hour in airframes that weigh in at 60% more gross weight. I know your all about "living for the now" and "it's all about me and my family", but the future is where your going to be tomorrow. You sold yourself out, and your family, when you jumped on that proud yes vote of yours. I wouldn't expect your likes to give a sheot about your co-workers. There are guys and gals flying the Brasilia today because that's what the company owns. That airplane will still be flying the line for years to come but you think it's fine to say F'them? Believe it or not, some of those Brasila people like busting their arse for an eight leg day flying into crappy little airports and don't have big dreams of flying a shiny RJ that has replaced mainline flying for peanuts.

I'm glad we will probaby never meet up on an overnight drinking ale's. After listening to your convoluted spew, I'd most likely wind up beotch slapping you...twice!

 

[SkyNation]

How about I sell us all out by sending in my card, voting in ALPA so we ALL can take an immediate 2% PAYCUT, then sit around for 4 years or so only with the HOPE that we can even retain the things we have now?

how 'bout vote yes, then vote in the glee club. at least that way we get the raise and it'll become our defacto contract. if you vote no on the pay vote and then vote it in, you'll freeze us at the lower, current scale.

 

[SkyNation]

You sold yourself out, and your family, when you jumped on that proud yes vote of yours.

How about I sell us all out by sending in my card, voting in ALPA so we ALL can take an immediate 2% PAYCUT, then sit around for 4 years or so only with the HOPE that we can even retain the things we have now?

a better idea would be to vote yes, then vote in the glee club. at least that way we get the raise and it'll become our defacto contract. if you vote no on the pay vote and then vote it in, you'll freeze us at the lower, current scale.

 

[FlySacto]

How about I sell us all out by sending in my card, voting in ALPA so we ALL can take an immediate 2% PAYCUT, then sit around for 4 years or so only with the HOPE that we can even retain the things we have now?

a better idea would be to vote yes, then vote in the glee club. at least that way we get the raise and it'll become our defacto contract. if you vote no on the pay vote and then vote it in, you'll freeze us at the lower, current scale.

Dude, I'm part of the vast right-wing conspiracy and have NO love for unions as a whole. The thing that sucks is they do have their place in the blue collar jobs, like flying has become. At least you've got the option to threaten to burn the M'thF'kr down when you keep getting dumped on

I'd like to think that the group would have said better done right or not at all. Do you think this was right? I'm a dreamer though and think it will pass.

 

[s.o.sJTB]

How about I sell us all out by sending in my card, voting in ALPA so we ALL can take an immediate 2% PAYCUT, then sit around for 4 years or so only with the HOPE that we can even retain the things we have now?

That 4 years for a contract argument is getting old, had we voted in ALPA during the last ALPA drive in 1999 (not the UPA drive) we would have a contract by now and better leverage for a raise in leu of the company's record profits. Instead we have SAPA reps like you crying "it will be years befor we get a contract so lets not start now".

A 2% paycut for Union dues is better than a 1% bitchslap from management...

 

[SkyNation]

A 2% paycut for Union dues is better than a 1% bitchslap from management...

you'd rather make 3% less than 3% more? that's effectively a 6% PAYCUT.

if we'd voted it in years ago, what evidence do you have that we'd be better off today? please cite Comair, ASA, and Mesa in your reply. They are all DCI carriers who compete for the same business we do. would you trade places with any of their situations just to 'be in the club?' even if you want it, take the $ and run to the ballot box. why leave money on the table, only to voluntarily give up more?

 

[s.o.sJTB]

you'd rather make 3% less than 3% more? that's effectively a 6% PAYCUT.

if we'd voted it in years ago, what evidence do you have that we'd be better off today? please cite Comair, ASA, and Mesa in your reply. They are all DCI carriers who compete for the same business we do. would you trade places with any of their situations just to 'be in the club?' even if you want it, take the $ and run to the ballot box. why leave money on the table, only to voluntarily give up more?

Its called pride and integrity...

As far as Mesa and Comair goes, how much money did Mesa make in the last year? How well managed are they? You cant get anything when the company has nothing! Its common sense negotiating that SAPA dosent seem to understand.

Comair is in another boat...their parent company is BANKRUPT and I dont see many mainline flights being built up in CVG, how do you negotiate with that?

With ASA lets wait and see what happens...Ron already said ASA may be better positioned to do the flying in the 70's out of CVG that Comair lost, even with their current yet outdated (1999) and expired contract and pay scales.

 

[FlySacto]

you'd rather make 3% less than 3% more? that's effectively a 6% PAYCUT.

if we'd voted it in years ago, what evidence do you have that we'd be better off today? please cite Comair, ASA, and Mesa in your reply. They are all DCI carriers who compete for the same business we do. would you trade places with any of their situations just to 'be in the club?' even if you want it, take the $ and run to the ballot box. why leave money on the table, only to voluntarily give up more?

Sorry SkyNation. Your math is all jacked up. Some would get 1% more and three minutes of time an hour here and there. Some get nothing, along with four years of nothing. No raise and paying dues doesn't yield a 6% difference. Again, was this the right proposal for us all?

 

[duck_killer]

Newman you are an embarassment to all Skywest pilots. "Live for yourself" is that a line you told a girl while wearing your pilot uiniform at the bar? Im on the bro, soon to be RJ and the $340 a year raise is not worth my dignity nor the message i send fellow pilots. What is that message you ask " ******************** you management keep filthy raise", no more personal cell phone use while holding short of the runway for mx, no more busting my balls to make an ridiculous 22 mst plane swap. And oh yeah i will vote for alpa so i don't have to fly struck work if ASA goes.

 

[CheeseDick]

you'd rather make 3% less than 3% more? that's effectively a 6% PAYCUT.

if we'd voted it in years ago, what evidence do you have that we'd be better off today? please cite Comair, ASA, and Mesa in your reply. They are all DCI carriers who compete for the same business we do. would you trade places with any of their situations just to 'be in the club?' even if you want it, take the $ and run to the ballot box. why leave money on the table, only to voluntarily give up more?

If you factor in inflation, by 2010 it will be a 12% pay cut. Not counting any union dues. And the margins stay the same but revenues and profits are up...so there's more money and the same margin. Nothing washes the right way unless you're skyw management

 

[capt. megadeth]

Newman you are an embarassment to all Skywest pilots. "Live for yourself" is that a line you told a girl while wearing your pilot uiniform at the bar? Im on the bro, soon to be RJ and the $340 a year raise is not worth my dignity nor the message i send fellow pilots. What is that message you ask " ******************** you management keep filthy raise", no more personal cell phone use while holding short of the runway for mx, no more busting my balls to make an ridiculous 22 mst plane swap. And oh yeah i will vote for alpa so i don't have to fly struck work if ASA goes.

Amen bro!