You might be a "Kernal"

[waveflyer]

If you have more than 2,837 posts on FI.


Ooh, wait a tic...

Nah, I think that just makes us trolls with no life, not kernels
Kernel isn't just a term for pet peeve - it is a specific kind of guy

A sexist term there- anyone met any female kernels?
I've flown with females I'd rather not, but they weren't kernels

 

[SpauldingSmails]

I encountered a female Captain-Kernel jumpseating once, a most rare breed indeed. There was no point trying to converse with her; a particularly self-absorbed, overbearing micro-manager. The F/O was ex-regional and judging from his face, one could sense this was going to be a long trip for him.

 

[AirCobra]

AirCobra is definitely a Kernal

Momma, I've been validated 6 ways from Sunday, it ain't about me - and yet military pilots are the ones showing the superiority complex and earning their Kernal title

I said it in the other thread- if you're a Kernal don't pretend the normal ex mil guys arent rolling their eyes right along with civilians- they hate flying with you too

But a spade is a spade- most of our cultural pains in the ass are military at SWA -

And guess what??

25 of 30 in class right now are military

Don't pretend like civilians ever START the mil v civ debate

It STARTS with that ^^^ stat and how UNQUALIFIED mil pilots who have light flight time never flown 121 keep getting hooked up

I wonder how fun this group of pilots will be to fly with as a civilian when they're military superiority complex gets validated by SWA to this level

Nah I would have loved to have flown F-18's instead of helos or turboprops. I would have loved to have gone to one of the service academies too if I had the grades in HS. I wouldn't say I envy those guys but I do respect them. Be real here. How many kids put posters of Beech 1900's on their walls.

 

[waveflyer]

My posters were vintage panam clippers
Flying boats to 74's

I've always only wanted to be an airline pilot.
And as this job goes, no better foundation than a 1900-

Certainly a hell of lot more applicable than a fighter- until swa signs that contract to drop bombs on Iran that is...

I respect them too for the most part. But they aren't more qualified as an airline pilot than an rj pilot. They aren't. We don't fly fighters in military ops at southwest. We fly 121 jets - it's absolutely backwards that we hire the guys with the least applicable kind of flight time, at the lowest amount of flight time- total good ole boy club-

And for the record- I had the grades and the MBA and excellent training at every step- there is no other career where military service gives a person this kind of a hookup- none. Attorney. Doctor. Name a profession where one can be absolutely excellent w/o mil service and still take a backseat to average mil people?
If it were the other way around, you guys would be up in arms-
Again, civilians didn't start the fight- we are not the grizzled old weird turboprop drivers with sketchy backgrounds and can't figure out how to shine our shoes - today's civilians have every bit the training as mil pilots complete with advanced systems, aerodynamics and professional development at universities And with WAY more applicable experience-
Military guys come into the BEST jobs as ROOKIES.

So AC- you flew helicopters- I'm of the opinion that fighter jets has barely more applicability to airline flying as helicopters do- why do airlines count almost none of a veterans helo time, but triple count fighter pilot time?
That sounds ass backwards as well

 

[AirCobra]

Yeah, that's it. It couldn't possibly be because anyone who goes by a callsign in civilian life is a massive doosh.

Lets see, a guy has a nickname for 20 years. Now he transitions to civilian life and some no talent a$$ clown thinks he should drop his nickname so the civilian pilot doesn't feel inferior. Who is the doosh again? Like I said its pure envy.

Go ahead tell "Buzz" Aldrin he is a doosh.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1wcrkxOgzhU

 

[AirCobra]

Hahaha

Exactly pcl. Spot on. Don't blame us for you guys not keeping your d^uche bags in check

Reality check. Did you grow up dreaming of flying from Chicago to Dayton four times a day? Just because you didn't get to experience the cool parts of aviation or get to save lives, don't begrudge those that did.

 

[PCL_128]

Lets see, a guy has a nickname for 20 years. Now he transitions to civilian life and some no talent a$$ clown thinks he should drop his nickname so the civilian pilot doesn't feel inferior. Who is the doosh again? Like I said its pure envy.

Go ahead tell "Buzz" Aldrin he is a doosh.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1wcrkxOgzhU

"Buzz" isn't a callsign. He got that nickname when he was a kid. Try again, kernal.

 

[AirCobra]

My posters were vintage panam clippers
Flying boats to 74's

I've always only wanted to be an airline pilot.
And as this job goes, no better foundation than a 1900-

Certainly a hell of lot more applicable than a fighter- until swa signs that contract to drop bombs on Iran that is...

I respect them too for the most part. But they aren't more qualified as an airline pilot than an rj pilot. They aren't. We don't fly fighters in military ops at southwest. We fly 121 jets - it's absolutely backwards that we hire the guys with the least applicable kind of flight time, at the lowest amount of flight time- total good ole boy club-

And for the record- I had the grades and the MBA and excellent training at every step- there is no other career where military service gives a person this kind of a hookup- none. Attorney. Doctor. Name a profession where one can be absolutely excellent w/o mil service and still take a backseat to average mil people?
If it were the other way around, you guys would be up in arms-
Again, civilians didn't start the fight- we are not the grizzled old weird turboprop drivers with sketchy backgrounds and can't figure out how to shine our shoes - today's civilians have every bit the training as mil pilots complete with advanced systems, aerodynamics and professional development at universities And with WAY more applicable experience-
Military guys come into the BEST jobs as ROOKIES.

So AC- you flew helicopters- I'm of the opinion that fighter jets has barely more applicability to airline flying as helicopters do- why do airlines count almost none of a veterans helo time, but triple count fighter pilot time?
That sounds ass backwards as well

That is because airlines like SWA are stupid. Counting Piper Seminole time as more applicable to airline flying than flying glass cockpit, multi crew, turbine helicopter in all weather conditions just shows the ignorant mindset of many civilian and fixed wing only pilots.

Your problem is you don't have anything to compare your training too. No military time and no helicopter time. What comparison can you really make. You don't understand the academic ability and pure piloting skills that are required to be selected for fighters, not to mention the sheer volume of recurrent training. If a guy could do a single engine no flap landing in a T-38 or put an S-3 on a pitching carrier deck at night I am pretty sure the airmanship and decision making skills transfer over pretty well. Why do most test pilots come from the fighter community? Flying an airliner is not magic. It is all about trainability. And most military pilots already have a demonstrated ability to make it through an airline training course.

 

[waveflyer]

Then why do 90% of our incidences come at the hands of military pilots?

And have you read NUTS? Attitude is supposed to be everything here- you can train people to do the job- and I agree with you on that- what makes a guy a dbag Kernal is the attitude. What makes them poor airline pilots is lack of crm. And with that I can make the comparison. Flying with a civilian is a much easier, more professional, safer airline flight deck.

As for helo- I can't compare it, but I flew with many in the regionals getting their fixed wing time- 10% had trouble with the fixed wing pitch power relationship, the others were great
You don't know what I can compare and what I can't AC

And it's that assumption that military is automatically more difficult and selective than anything a civilian can do that's the problem. You clearly don't know what programs I was in and assume if my check cleared, I passed. You'd be wrong.

 

[AirCobra]

"Buzz" isn't a callsign. He got that nickname when he was a kid. Try again, kernal.

Yeah if your Captain introduced himself as "Buzz" You wouldn't automatically think he was a doosh? or would you check "Captain was your nickname from before or during the time you were in the military? Because if its during, I think that makes you a doosh"

Do you have any respect for other people? What kind of doosh makes a dooshey statement like "anyone who goes by a callsign in civilian life is a massive doosh" Someone with deep seated penis envy in my opinion.

 

[jonjuan]

Yeah, that's it. It couldn't possibly be because anyone who goes by a callsign in civilian life is a massive doosh.

Wait, don't you go by "Flounder?"

 

[PCL_128]

Yeah if your Captain introduced himself as "Buzz" You wouldn't automatically think he was a doosh?

Probably not. Many people go by nicknames. But, if he spent the first day of our trip talking nonstop about the military, and he insisted on going by his military callsign, yeah, he's a friggin' doosh.

We have a lot of absolutely great former military guys here at the 'Tran. Some of my favorite guys to fly with are former military. But you know what they all have in common? You usually don't even know that they're former military until it randomly comes up in conversation half-way through the trip. On the other hand, you know you're in for a long-ass trip when the guy starts talking about "the Academy" and asking you to call him by his callsign before you've even pushed back on the first leg of the trip.

 

[AirCobra]

Then why do 90% of our incidences come at the hands of military pilots?

And have you read NUTS? Attitude is supposed to be everything here- you can train people to do the job- and I agree with you on that- what makes a guy a dbag Kernal is the attitude. What makes them poor airline pilots is lack of crm. And with that I can make the comparison. Flying with a civilian is a much easier, more professional, safer airline flight deck.

As for helo- I can't compare it, but I flew with many in the regionals getting their fixed wing time- 10% had trouble with the fixed wing pitch power relationship, the others were great
You don't know what I can compare and what I can't AC

And it's that assumption that military is automatically more difficult and selective than anything a civilian can do that's the problem. You clearly don't know what programs I was in and assume if my check cleared, I passed. You'd be wrong.

Well you and PCL devolved this thread into anyone using a callsign or using certain terms is stereotyped. What kind of attitude is that? Did you think perhaps its just part of their vernacular like saying "cool" or "awesome"?

I know you don't have any helo time because helicopters have the same pitch and power relationship. Pitch+Power+Performance. No difference. Do some reading on CAT A Ops or helicopter instrument flying if you don't believe me.

As far as CRM goes and the rest I think you just start with a bunch of assumptions out of ignorance. Military pilots receive CRM training, they do LOFT, and annual recurrent training. Anything adverse you have experienced was more the product of the individual than whether or not they were fighter pilots or helo pilots. I don't care what training you received. You know as well as I do no civilian program even comes close.

 

[AirCobra]

Probably not. Many people go by nicknames. But, if he spent the first day of our trip talking nonstop about the military, and he insisted on going by his military callsign, yeah, he's a friggin' doosh.

We have a lot of absolutely great former military guys here at the 'Tran. Some of my favorite guys to fly with are former military. But you know what they all have in common? You usually don't even know that they're former military until it randomly comes up in conversation half-way through the trip. On the other hand, you know you're in for a long-ass trip when the guy starts talking about "the Academy" and asking you to call him by his callsign before you've even pushed back on the first leg of the trip.

Why don't you try being civil, maybe saying "oh the Acadmey, great school, lousy football team. Ha Ha Ha" or "hey how did you get that call sign?" You sound like an envious child. So people are not supposed to be who they are until you give them the thumbs up? Is that the deal?

 

[PCL_128]

No, the deal is don't be a boring doosh.

 

[waveflyer]

If the "nothing comes close" line is accurate AC- then how on earth do so many weak military pilots end up at southwest?

And again, the weaker the pilot, the more common it is for them to shove their superiority complex down a civilians throat -
CIVILIANS DO NOT START THIS MIL v CIV THING.

Should I put that in bold for you?

 

[PCL_128]

wave, you just don't understand. If only you had spent 12 years to accumulate 2,000 hours of single-pilot single-engine jet time, maybe then you'd get it.

We're not worthy! We're not worthy! [/waynesworld]

 

[AirCobra]

If the "nothing comes close" line is accurate AC- then how on earth do so many weak pilots end up at southwest?

And again, the weaker the pilot, the more common it is for them to shove their superiority complex down a civilians throat -
CIVILIANS DO NOT START THIS MIL v CIV THING.

Should I put that in bold for you?

Someone needs a reality check. Are you telling me UND, ERAU, ALL ATPS's or your local Cessna Pilot Center produces better pilots in 250 hours than Pensacola, Randolph, or Sheppard. Seriously. 250 hours in Cessna 172's makes a better pilot than 250 hours in high perfromance jets and turboprops? Sure Wave whatever you say.

 

[AirCobra]

wave, you just don't understand. If only you had spent 12 years to accumulate 2,000 hours of single-pilot single-engine jet time, maybe then you'd get it.

We're not worthy! We're not worthy! [/waynesworld]

Oh vectors to a straight in ILS in an automated flying bus. Sooooooooo hard. A carrier qualified pilot could never handle something like that.

 

[PCL_128]

Oh vectors to a straight in ILS in an automated flying bus. Sooooooooo hard. A carrier qualified pilot could never handle something like that.

I never said it was hard. I'm the first person to tell you that the job is damned easy if you let it be, actually. My point was that you're nothing special, kernal.