XJT forces 47 PAX to sleep aboard aircraft in Rochester, MN?

[007]

Ask any dispatcher...we've all seen cases where the captain (again, I emphasize, in a non-emergency/WX situation) gets a little overzealous in making an authoritative decision and goes straight for the first available strip of concrete...with no available services at that airport... when everything they need and more is 20nm up the road.

Ask any Pilot..we've all seen cases where the dispatchers gives us one of those great alternates on the other side of the 300 mile long line of Thunderstorms that has all the great services available but then doesn't let us know on how he was planning for us to get there.

You guys can Monday morning quarterback this crap for another 3 pages, fact is, none of us were there and therefore have no idea what was tried or what went down!

 

[Club ORD FO]

nevermind...

 

[pilotyip]

No common sense

TSA in this case is a good example of how health care will work should the Dem's get what they want. Common sense will not apply, it will be all regulation, with a big hammer dropped on nayone who does not follow the regs to a fault.

 

[DrewBlows]

TSA in this case is a good example of how health care will work should the Dem's get what they want. Common sense will not apply, it will be all regulation, with a big hammer dropped on nayone who does not follow the regs to a fault.

Really? You are blaming TSA? Health care? Really?! Don't you have a town hall meeting to interrupt?

 

[pilotyip]

Common Sense

Really? You are blaming TSA? Health care? Really?! Don't you have a town hall meeting to interrupt?

Common Sense would have let them taxi over to the FBO and unlaod the passengers, but there would be such severe penalites for that action that it was not attempted.

 

[COOPERVANE]

Got to be more to the story! I hope one of the pilots come on here to explain what happened.

 

[cldsfr79]

This plane (E145) does have air stairs right? Even if ever gate was occupied, they could have called the airport police or airport operations, have the plane parked by a gate, and escort the passengers off the plane. The jet bridges do have stairs right? The police and airport ops have codes to all those airport doors. The passengers could have even been escorted through a operations area and into the terminal if they weren't provided access to a jet bridge/gate. There is no reason why these people had to sit on the plane. When you are a captain, this is the time to problem solve. Even if the ramp agents aren't there to help or someone says no to an idea, figure something out.

When I used to fly with a regional, we had a situation where all the gates were full do to outbound delays and it was going to be well over an hour wait for a gate. Within minutes we were on the phone with the airport ops (not our airline ops) to figuring out a new plan to offload our passengers at another location/gate area. About 15 minutes later we were deplaning our passengers. You have to think outside the box.

Were these guys getting paid "block or better"?

In regards to comments about mainline carriers distancing themselves from regionals when a regional gets in trouble: The regionals are contracted to fly for the mainline on their behalf. Regionals are told where to fly, when to fly and what equipment to fly. The operational control is conducted by the regional staff. Training, dispatching, and decisions are made by the regional airline. Anytime an accident or incident occurs with a regional, it is there operational responsibilty. The mainline carrier didn't cause the plane to crash or to strand passengers on the plane, it was the regional airlines operational issue. You better believe that if a situation occurs the mainline would point fingers.

 

[Booker]

This plane (E145) does have air stairs right?

No, this particular one did not.

 

[lowspeed]

What the heck was this crew thinking? Ive done this before, winter storm in CLE ice moved in and MU wouldnt allow us to land, headed to alt. after talking to dx, landed, nobody around. Headed to FBO, called dx, got fuel, deiced, loaded plane 3 hours later to head to cle. Now i know i am a stupid GIA grad, and I fly a 1900, and I cant make decsions! How is it that I was able to figure all this out, and myself and company made the right calls organized TSA to meet the pax at the plane in CLE and clear them. Why dont captains take more responsibilty and make a decision? But I know, I know, GIA causes all accidents, poor pilots, and I bought job and blah blah blah. How the hell is it that i can do all this at just over 900 hours pic 121, first year in the ne winter ops, and others cant figure out to think on their own? Great book called Milkshake Moment I suggested all captains read it! wow want a rant!

Mommy and daddy must be so proud.

 

[DrewBlows]

Common Sense would have let them taxi over to the FBO and unlaod the passengers, but there would be such severe penalites for that action that it was not attempted.

I won't get into security protocol on a public forum except to say unloading at an FBO is not a security violation. Even if it were, Captains emergency authority overrides any minor security concerns. This is not a TSA issue, it's a customer service issue.

In my opinion, the Captain, ExpressJet, and Continental, in that order, screwed up. There is no air-stairs on an ExpressJet EMB145, but there are ways to unload the airplane if you are motivated and creative. A borrowed belt-loader would have been an option...not a great option...but an option nevertheless.

 

[pilotyip]

Again it looks like common sense was in short order.

 

[Amish RakeFight]

The question is why do they do this. They do this so as for you to devalue yourself and to slowly condition you to believe that you are not worth more than any other group, thus, you shouldn't seek better compensation or working conditions (bottom line). A myth you think? I beg to differ. Today, gate agents have way more power than Captains. If you don't comply, a couple of trips to the Chief's office and most fall in line. Other employee groups, especially gate agents have been instructed or conditioned to write up flight crews when their demands are not met. They have effectively become management tools to degrade our expectations.

I couldn't agree more. Humans/workers are widely manipulated with the guidence of industrial psychologists.

 

[cldsfr79]

No, this particular one did not.

Ok. Was ever gate occupied? If all the gates were, with coordination from another airline and/or airport ops, an empty parked plane could have been pushed off a gate temporarily while the Express Jet unloaded. OR air-stairs could have been driven out to the plane while it sat some where.

Just thinking outside the box.

The Express Jet name brand airline went out of business right? Huh, that's odd.

 

[brokedash]

I find that hard to believe.

Maybe you're thinking about letting them back on after they've left the aircraft.

Everyone could of been re-ticketed, and baggage rescanned in the morning.
XJT crew failed their pax.

Exactly, the problem isn't getting off, it is about getting back on, esp. if the pax have left the sterile area. The rest of it is just the stuff related to rebookings and such and if the airline has CSC at that airport.

 

[SoCentralRain]

Again it looks like common sense was in short order.

I think you meant "short supply."

Again, TSA had nothing to do with this one.

SCR