XJT forces 47 PAX to sleep aboard aircraft in Rochester, MN?

[10nCLR]

It's RST not ROC...Rochester, MN is a long way from Rochester, NY

I think the problem was that RST is not a Continental/XJT station. RST is only served by NWA(connection) and Eagle. And i doubt their employee's would have gotten out of bed to take care of the flight.

So they were probably stuck in remote parking on the ramp away from the terminal, without stairs or jetway, no rampers, no gate agents or even access to the terminal.

The FBO's usually handle the refueling and dispatch releases.

There's still no excuse for 9 hrs. Don't plan an alt to a station when no one will be there if it does divert. Plan to go to a station in which you operate out of and call ahead to make sure someone can be there if it does. The CCFP probably had MSP in the mix of things. MPS does get more than just snowstorms. Anyway.....

 

[Britpilot]

So, declare an emergency, deplane the pax, call ops for a hotel for everyone, arrange rug dance in CP's office. A Captain needs to be a Captain sometimes.

 

[SLUF4]

So the crew timed out and had to sleep on the plane? Who was on duty to look after the pax?

 

[realityman]

The FBO's usually handle the refueling and dispatch releases.

Therefore, why not taxi to the FBO and let the folks off there?

Sorry, I don't fly for the regionals. Never have. I fly for a fractional. But spend way more time on the airlines than I care to. Some of this stuff makes absolutely no sense to me. That's why I'm genuinely curious. I realize this happens at practically every carrier from time to time, so not picking on XJT specifically.

From the discussion here, it would seem there were some options. Perhaps the best options may not have been what operations would want them to do? But then, when are captains at the regionals (or majors for that matter) allowed to act like captains and make command decisions?

9 hours?! That's holding hostages, not providing transportation. Not picking a fight, but is it really impossible for a regional aircraft to utilize an FBO? I see chartered airline aircraft at FBO's all the time, so I know most can handle them. And a regional jet isn't too much bigger than a Gulfstream. I imagine after "just" 4 or 5 hours on the ground, with full pax, overfilled toilets, and very small children that the pax were in some distress. Why not drop em at the FBO, if all else failed?

We have lots of ex-regional pilots flying or us. I realize (from their stories) that there are some real d*****bags in the CP's office, and management, of the regionals, so I could see some trouble with that after the fact. But would they really give the crew too much grief considering how that would look if it made it into the media about a crew deciding NOT to keep people on a regional jet for 9 hours, even against the wishes of operations, and then being disciplined for it?

Just wondering.

 

[73belair]

It becomes a TSA deal more than anything, to let pax out, not where there ticket says it should be.

 

[Hawker800]

I spent 11 hrs in the back of an F9 Airbus a few years back. Could not get in to Denver so diverted to Colorado Springs. They had no gates there. One guy was toted off by medics after awhile. Could not handle being in the tube for long. Toilets backed up. They had to open the doors to allow fresh air in. After many hours on the ramp I asked an FA how about a hotel for the night. She actually said they had a schedule to keep. Then a tow bar could not be found to handle the bus since the bus did not operate there. Several of us offered to push the thing. Actually we were going to make a run for it if we got off. I think they sensed this in that our offer was refused. Eventually the weather cleared and we got to Denver. Not alot of fun people. Not at all.

 

[SSDD]

Easy to fix...call the local news station...even in Rochester MN...

 

[WMUSIGPI]

4 words "I'm declaring an emergency!" End of discussion. At that point the ground ops and or airport authority can deal with the BS.

 

[SoCentralRain]

4 words "I'm declaring an emergency!" End of discussion. At that point the ground ops and or airport authority can deal with the BS.

Amen. Kids, just say the word. All is forgiven.

SCR

 

[jppt2000]

It becomes a TSA deal more than anything, to let pax out, not where there ticket says it should be.

I find that hard to believe.

Maybe you're thinking about letting them back on after they've left the aircraft.

Everyone could of been re-ticketed, and baggage rescanned in the morning.
XJT crew failed their pax.

 

[AWACoff]

There is no defense for the crew's actions. None.

 

[screech]

It becomes a TSA deal more than anything, to let pax out, not where there ticket says it should be.

Thats not right. Ive diverted to Non air-carrier airports and let people out. we cant hold passengers hostage. It's probably a felony. Lets see, kidnapping and hostage taking. Mmm... not good. In my 2 cases of this we told people they could leave whenever they want but they would be on their own to get to XXX airport. Most said ok and left. no problem. a few stayed and we got em liquored up.

Captains should be Captains and do the right thing.

rule #1. If whatever youre doing ends up on CNN or Fox News, you probably screwed up.

 

[Uncle Bunkle]

You think the guys up front wanted to keep the pax on board?? \

There was only 1 guy up front on that flight. CA was a Girl.
Woman trying to do a man's job in a man's world, what do you expect?

 

[SpeedRestricted]

There was only 1 guy up front on that flight. CA was a Girl.
Woman trying to do a man's job in a man's world, what do you expect?

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[Paul R. Smith]

People in glass houses should not throw stones.

Did the aircraft have stairs pulled up to it? The XJT ERJ has no airstairs so it requires ground personnel. Its a little high to jump out. It can be done but its probably a little hazardous for anyone over the age of 30.