XJT forces 47 PAX to sleep aboard aircraft in Rochester, MN?

[Flyin2low]

The problem was that the cockpit had a crack in it!

 

[rjacobs]

Continental Pays XJT by completion factor!!!!

Completely wrong

We are on a CPA with CAL not a fee for departure contract.

 

[XPOO]

Flying into TS is asking for trouble, and begging to be second-guessed. When in doubt, safety is paramount. However, we are trying to figure out where this issue turned into a six and half hour gaffe.

 

[Baronman]

Extremely unprofessional.

We need older, higher time captains. Not youngsters who can't assert authority and deal with these situations.

FYI the CAPT is over 50yrs old and has been with the airline for over 9 years. Not exactly new. Sure, not 25+ years but not exactly wet behind the ears.

 

[Baronman]

What time did this diversion take place? It seems as if it were late night. Unless there was a steady state thunderstorm stalled over MSP for quite a while, which is unlikely, how long did they hold before diverted to RST? And how much hold fuel did they have? Late at night there shouldn't have been that many aircraft holding in front them. In addition, I have never encountered a so called "line of thunderstorms" that I couldn't thread my way through.

One of the problems with these RJ kids is that they have only ever flown for the regionals aside from some fair weather flight instructing. And they have never experienced the kind of weather a freight dawg has likely encountered many times over in the middle of night. It never ceases to amaze me how many times, while flying through some areas of weather, ATC asks me how the ride is, or what the flight conditions are at my location, because 90% of everyone else had been diverting. And usually the ride is acceptable! Too many people diverting around friggin clouds! And then our joke of an ATC system gets overburdened with aircraft off route and on headings, then come the holds, edcts, and ground stops! Many people here have suggested growing balls, and I agree! Stay out of the red and yellow and you'll be no worse for wear. Trust me, I'm still alive, and I don't fly through the kind of stuff I did when I was a freight dawg.

Here ya' go http://flightaware.com/live/flight/B...224Z/KIAH/KRST

The crew timed out, therefore they were obviously at the tail end of a long duty day. So...here you are, it's past midnight, you're been holding for 20 minutes already and there's a steady line of storms between you and MSP.

We don't know what the ATC situation was, but from the looks of it even if they got out of the hold there was still some significant weather up ahead.
But you're presuming that they had the option to procede to the airport!

So now if they don't get into MSP they have to fly back across that crappy wx to the alternate.

Long story short I don't blame them for diverting....And I don't know what happened on the ground. Of course everyone is going to point fingers, "It wasn't my fault," "Not my fault!" and I'm sure the Captain is being told to keep her mouth shut. So that leaves us with lots of people pointing fingers and the one person at the hub of the situation not speaking.

 

[CA1900]

Now why didn't the crew offer to open the main cabin door, have the stairs out then turn their backs...

What stairs?

 

[Yodafly]

dumb move

I find it hard to believe that it was a captain’s decision not to deplane. This kind of situation would be elevated to a high level of management in Expressjet.

That being said any rational pilot would declare an emergency and deplane rather then to kidnap their passengers for that long overnight.

When asked reason for emergency, Crew fatigue, Crew unable to can't keep passengers safe.

 

[XPOO]

According to the FlightAware, I don't see where the dispatcher planned adequately enough to fly AROUND the TS along the route of flight.

 

[rumorhasit]

Completely wrong

We are on a CPA with CAL not a fee for departure contract.

Um no I am not!!! Completion factor is part of the compensation from cal. Or at least it was for nearly the decade I was there!!!!

 

[CA1900]

When asked reason for emergency, Crew fatigue, Crew unable to can't keep passengers safe.

Biohazard from the overflowing lavatory.

 

[QOL_is_great:)]

What stairs?

You mean to tel me that POS plane (regardless who drives one) doesn't have self-contained stairs?

I don't fly that thing nor have I ever.

It would have been interesting if there was a medical emergency. That would have gotten the ball rolling to have stairs provided.

 

[rumorhasit]

Completely wrong

We are on a CPA with CAL not a fee for departure contract.

And have u seen the "contract"? Cause I heard it's in the reamsters home safe behind who the second gunman was on the grassy Nol...next to the real reason s.Paylin resigned!!!!!

 

[CA1900]

You mean to tel me that POS plane (regardless who drives one) doesn't have self-contained stairs?

It's an option, just like it is on a 737. As that airline normally hooks up to jetways, the self-contained stairs just get in the way. Other operators that don't often use jetways got them delivered with the integrated stairs.

It would have been interesting if there was a medical emergency. That would have gotten the ball rolling to have stairs provided.

Indeed it would. I can only imagine what fun that was with the overflowing toilets and screaming, tired babies...

 

[brokeflyer]

you get what you pay for...

"they bought their tickets, they knew what they were getting into.....I say let 'em crash"

 

[COOPERVANE]

"they bought their tickets, they knew what they were getting into.....I say let 'em crash"

Looks like I picked the wrong week to quit sniffing glue?