XJT forces 47 PAX to sleep aboard aircraft in Rochester, MN?

[samballs]

FYI the CAPT is over 50yrs old and has been with the airline for over 9 years. Not exactly new. Sure, not 25+ years but not exactly wet behind the ears.

50+ and only at a regional for 9 yrs is worse than a 30 yr old at regional for 5 yrs. The 50+ guy is already set in his ways, and this event proves he has no decision making ability.

 

[samballs]

I find it hard to believe that it was a captain’s decision not to deplane. This kind of situation would be elevated to a high level of management in Expressjet.

That being said any rational pilot would declare an emergency and deplane rather then to kidnap their passengers for that long overnight.

When asked reason for emergency, Crew fatigue, Crew unable to can't keep passengers safe.

Very true, this guy was afraid to make that call

 

[QOL_is_great:)]

It's an option, just like it is on a 737. As that airline normally hooks up to jetways, the self-contained stairs just get in the way. Other operators that don't often use jetways got them delivered with the integrated stairs.

Indeed it would. I can only imagine what fun that was with the overflowing toilets and screaming, tired babies...

I didn't know so thanks!!

 

[brokeflyer]

Very true, this guy was afraid to make that call

Just because you're a Captain, doesn't mean you're a GOOD Captain.

 

[acarpe3448]

This is why "jets" need to be taken away from the feeders.

You got that right. I wish someone had the brains to do it!

 

[acarpe3448]

I find it hard to believe that it was a captain’s decision not to deplane. This kind of situation would be elevated to a high level of management in Expressjet.

That being said any rational pilot would declare an emergency and deplane rather then to kidnap their passengers for that long overnight.

When asked reason for emergency, Crew fatigue, Crew unable to can't keep passengers safe.

Everytime I hear about this happening I am not at work! It's easy for me to say what I would have done. This situation is happening equally to major airline and commuter. I think it's a tough call for anyone!

 

[LJ45]

this is stupid, call the fire dept for a ladder if you need to get pax off. As a passenger I would have felt ill and called 911. They should pay for this and set an example of what not to do. Enough with this stupidty.

 

[LJ45]

everyone involved in the decisions that night should be fired !!! Capt, FO, FA, Dispatch etc..

 

[pipejockey]

Remember your not back in your najavo flying boxes, so at some point giving the pax a smooth ride when conditions permit is part of your job there, skipper. And it might involve, gasp, a deviation.

Not just bombing through anything thats not painting red because you think your a "*************************" because thats how you did it back in your piston days blasting off into anything.

Najavo? Perhaps you mean Navajo? Piston?
Umm, it was in Boeing 727's.
I see you have never flown large transport category aircraft, so I will explain to you that a 727 is a three engine aircraft that seats between 150 to 190 people depending on configuration, has a max TO weight of between 176,000 to 200,000 and has a payload of nearly 60,000 and an Mmo of .88.

Now get back out there and keep building experience for yourself and maybe someday you'll get to fly the heavy iron as well. You'll do fine, I have confidence in you.

 

[pipejockey]

Here ya' go http://flightaware.com/live/flight/B...224Z/KIAH/KRST

Unfortunately that link didn't show a snapshot of the radar when they diverted. I really would like to see what they were up against.

 

[79%N1]

There were jetways available and people to run them. No need for ladders, etc....

The airport offered the facilities, Delta offered services and a bus! The crew denied them because they had get-there-itis and wanted the pax onboard to wait in case they got cleared to go. The story that nobody was there or that it was a TSA issue just are not true. THAT is what makes it even worse.

 

[CA1900]

Unfortunately that link didn't show a snapshot of the radar when they diverted. I really would like to see what they were up against.

I flew into MSP that night, and it was nasty all around.

 

[JohnnyP]

.....

I see you have never flown large transport category aircraft,

And?

The 727 is a nice bird, but that jet lust wears off in about 12 to 17 seconds.

Have fun with that pal. Ill take my six figure income (after taxes) made while flying an underpowered turboprop. (And over 4 months off a year)

Keep on poking your head in that weather with pax on board, "she'll make it through"....

Next......

 

[XPOO]

Unfortunately that link didn't show a snapshot of the radar when they diverted. I really would like to see what they were up against.

Well you can see they had to divert around one storm on the way, over Iowa. Looks to me as though the dispatcher just planned the route up to MSP and didnt even try to plan for going around the thunderstorms en route. "Maybe" if they had planned to go around the storm on the west side and enter MSP from the north they'd have made it in. But it's pure specualtion at this point.

 

[WayBack]

XJT seems to take off no matter what. When SWA is not leaving HOU for DAL but XJT does from IAH DAL then holds for 2 hours with a DVRT to Waco it makes you think. Massive lines of Texas T-storms but good ol XJT takes off. I mean serious do you have Captains or does ops run you? I have seen it over and over here in Texas. So this "incident" does not surprise me.

I couldn't agree more.
I've seen some spineless captains at the regional level who are affraid of a phone call from the CP.
They also know if they get in trouble with the CP's, there is no way ALPO can help them or save their jobs.

 

[COOPERVANE]

I have only worked for one regional. I have NEVER felt pressured to fly sick, fatigued, no APU...whatever. Not afraid to talk to a chief. I guess I take my company for granted.

I've dealt with a similar situation as what happened in RST twice as a Capt. Was not a big deal and had support from Dispatch, ASA, and Delta.

I just don't understand how this happened. There HAS to be more to the story.

 

[JustaNumber]

I have only worked for one regional. I have NEVER felt pressured to fly sick, fatigued, no APU...whatever. Not afraid to talk to a chief. I guess I take my company for granted.

I've dealt with a similar situation as what happened in RST twice as a Capt. Was not a big deal and had support from Dispatch, ASA, and Delta.

I just don't understand how this happened. There HAS to be more to the story.

I think it depends on the exact circumstances. I've dealt with a similar situation once, but unfortunately did not receive as much support as you describe, despite burning both my and my FO's cellphone batteries dry. I worked out a solution on my own, but sometimes the circumstances just suck.

 

[CA1900]

I have only worked for one regional. I have NEVER felt pressured to fly sick, fatigued, no APU...whatever. Not afraid to talk to a chief. I guess I take my company for granted.

Glad to hear it. My former regional's CP called me and chewed me out because I dared delay a flight to take a piss and get something to eat. We had a 5:30am show at a hotel with no breakfast, and 10 minute turns (on underblocked legs) on a no-lav/no-galley 1900 until 2pm. "You have a three-hour break in the afternoon; you can eat lunch and dinner then," he said.

And he genuinely couldn't understand why we were pushing for a union. :angryfire