Wow, Delta's Earnings

[redflyer65]

Your talking about stagnation at an airline that basically only flies domestic to about 35 states vs Delta (who grows by codeshare). We'll have growth and retirements coming. There are plenty of new destinations ahead for Southwest. I guarantee. I don't think Delta can say the same.

You'll have growth with a new joint venture to Yellowknife on Canadian North Airlines. Maybe you could go ice fishing. How's that widebody order coming? What? You don't have any? Good luck with that growth thing. At least you have the retirements coming.

We'll see how that stagnation thing works out in the end General. And yes the AirTran guys are bringing their longevity...which means that some guys are making more than you. Who would have thought?

 

[General Lee]

Your talking about stagnation at an airline that basically only flies domestic to about 35 states vs Delta (who grows by codeshare). We'll have growth and retirements coming. There are plenty of new destinations ahead for Southwest. I guarantee. I don't think Delta can say the same.

You'll have growth with a new joint venture to Yellowknife on Canadian North Airlines. Maybe you could go ice fishing. How's that widebody order coming? What? You don't have any? Good luck with that growth thing. At least you have the retirements coming.

We'll see how that stagnation thing works out in the end General. And yes the AirTran guys are bringing their longevity...which means that some guys are making more than you. Who would have thought?

Red,

Stagnation comes from a lot fewer retirements, and one aircraft type. At your airline, when one Capt retires, one AT FO will move up to Capt, and then one newhire will take the FO's place. Not the case at any of the three Legacies. When a top widebody Capt retires, more than 10 people move up, all to higher wages (unless you have grouped pay rates for 3 or more planes like AA and UA, but not at DL). So, there is your stagnation, fewer retirements (by far) and one plane type.

The widebody order is rumored to be out later this month. Apparently it will be either A330s or 777s, and they will be on property by 2015, to start more point to point Asia flying from SEA. And, 30 A321s are also supposedly coming too. (Awaiting the announcement, and I'll happily post it when and if it happens). So, besides 88 717s, 14 MD90s, and 100 739ERs (those are 1 for 1 replacement planes), there could be quite a bit of growth. If those 10 widebodies come along and 30 additional A321s come too, hiring could explode. I would think half of your list will apply just for the chance at better QOL and advancement due to expansion and retirements.

I am sure some AT pilots make more than I do now, but not many, and certainly don't have the potential I do as 5000 retire in the next decade. And, I don't have to go to Midland Odessa.


Bye Bye---General Lee

 

[waveflyer]

Hey discount double-speakGL- do you think your sh/tty work environment will disappear with those widebody orders that "might" happen?

Keep chasing that carrot general- every single SWA pilot out earns you and 90+% like they're life better- so good luck- maybe you'll be happy when.....__________

 

[Kroll]

Xj,

A wise person told me to stop looking at everyone else because only I could change my situation. So I focused on where I wanted to to go in life. It can appear that everyone around us have it made. The reality is that we all get thrown curve balls throughout life. At those times we have a choice on how we react to those curveballs.

I would strongly suggest to get off this website and take your kids for an ice cream. Then figure out what you want and where you want to go. Then focus on how you can get there.

I don't mean to sound condescending because that is not my intent. This advice helped me at a point when I was frustrated with what I saw going on around me. In the end all the nonsense that I was making noise about could not help me achieve my goals. I hope it helps you sharpen your focus. There might seem like a lot of hurdles in front of you but hurdles were made for you to jump over. So start jumping my friend.

K-Roll

 

[Kenney G]

That's your response?

Gary might do this and might do that? That's all you got?



That's all Max needed to convince the AirTran pilots to give up their seniority to you.

 

[jonjuan]

Hahahaha! "That's all you got???" I'll tell you what "you got." Stagnation, one plane type, 25 min turns, multiple leg days, and an airline that once WAS the Low Cost King. Things are a changing Red...

And AT pilots making more than me? Really? You Corndogs are getting passed up by legacy widebody pilots, and the narrow bodies aren't far behind, and will pass you soon. Throw in thousands of scheduled retirements over the next 10 years(I'll move up over 5,000 numbers in 10 years---almost half the list) vs your certain stagnation, and I bet many of your bottom half of your seniority list will be actively looking to leave and head to a big 3 legacy. I don't blame them, a life of multiple leg days forever on one plane type, regardless of the high pay, seems like a prison sentence. But, at least you and Max can hold hands and talk about how great it felt when Gary shoved a hot poker up your tushes in the 2014 contract..... Have fun!



Bye Bye----General Lee

Don't forget guys hired 7 years after you making $80K/ year more than you. Other than that, of course. Your family must be oh so proud.

 

[waveflyer]

Kroll-
I like that advice. A lot.

But I compartmentalize the situation. There's advice I give an individual - see your post^^^. And then there's what I believe systemically.

Becoming a major airline pilot is and always has been, and should be, a formidable challenge-
And screw the pilots who refuse to develop themselves fully- they shouldn't be in an RJ, let alone a 75.

But I guess that's my point about RJs
This level of outsourcing has done two things- provided large jet flying opportunities to pilots who haven't earned it yet, and denied major airline jobs to those who have. And a whole lot of backwards wrong situations have developed when the major airline furloughs just to outsource.

So I get it- and that's my advice to a young pilot too- prioritize, keep it in perspective, WORK on yourself, break through barriers, network, build your reputation and develop your relationships- get where you want to be-

But systemically- we've muddied the waters of this career in ways we shouldn't

Outsourcing a 90,000lb jet capable of FL410 that routinely goes coast to coast in a day?
That's wrong - it's a seniority scam

 

[General Lee]

Don't forget guys hired 7 years after you making $80K/ year more than you. Other than that, of course. Your family must be oh so proud.

How do you know what I make? Oh, you think everyone flies an "average" schedule, no greenslips, etc? For senior guys in category, this Summer has been great. Speaking of family, how's your Mom and sister doing? Those two are "freaky!" Wow. Tell them I said hi.


Bye Bye---General Lee

 

[General Lee]

Kroll-
I like that advice. A lot.

But I compartmentalize the situation. There's advice I give an individual - see your post^^^. And then there's what I believe systemically.

Becoming a major airline pilot is and always has been, and should be, a formidable challenge-
And screw the pilots who refuse to develop themselves fully- they shouldn't be in an RJ, let alone a 75.

But I guess that's my point about RJs
This level of outsourcing has done two things- provided large jet flying opportunities to pilots who haven't earned it yet, and denied major airline jobs to those who have. And a whole lot of backwards wrong situations have developed when the major airline furloughs just to outsource.

So I get it- and that's my advice to a young pilot too- prioritize, keep it in perspective, WORK on yourself, break through barriers, network, build your reputation and develop your relationships- get where you want to be-

But systemically- we've muddied the waters of this career in ways we shouldn't

Outsourcing a 90,000lb jet capable of FL410 that routinely goes coast to coast in a day?
That's wrong - it's a seniority scam

Wavey,

Aren't you outsourcing to cheaper labor with a jet the same size as yours? Yes, yes you are. I understand the merger process, but most mergers try to attain pay parity quickly, especially on the same plane. Oh wait, maybe you guys wanted to shove something up their rears and give them a great "take or or leave it" offer? Sounds plausible, and it appears outsourcing to a cheaper vendor so you could get better SLI outside the "normal" arbitration process that almost every recent merger has followed. Hypocrite! Thanks to all that, I bet any loyalty other than a bit from "Benedict" Maxblast will be washed down the toilet.


Bye Bye---General Lee

 

[Scoot 11]

Hey discount double-speakGL- do you think your sh/tty work environment will disappear with those widebody orders that "might" happen?

Keep chasing that carrot general- every single SWA pilot out earns you and 90+% like they're life better- so good luck- maybe you'll be happy when.....__________

Hey hypocritical PFT ****************************** bag: Would you like to place a wager on how many of those "every single SWA pilots," submits a pilot application to DL? Your airline is overstaffed, and you are not making that "holy grail" paycheck. Your management has stated they need to cut costs, and there is no growth for your foreseeable future.
You should shut your nut drainer, and keep it healthy for its sole purpose.

 

[Freebrd]

Hey waveygravy!

Here you go- ill break up the contraction so you get it-

you're (you are) a condescending prick eh?

Can you find 5?

no doubt I could, but wtf cares; look it up yourself chump :beer:

 

[waveflyer]

I know you're proud of this argument- but the analogy only works if you had plans to integrate all express pilots into mainline next year.

Do you have those plans GL?
For the record I don't like AT pay or how long it's taking to integrate - but your flimsy argument is so see through even the haters here (scoot / frbrd) don't agree with you-

Why not try and stay on topic and talk about how much delta and dalpa like to sell out

Wavey,

Aren't you outsourcing to cheaper labor with a jet the same size as yours? Yes, yes you are. I understand the merger process, but most mergers try to attain pay parity quickly, especially on the same plane. Oh wait, maybe you guys wanted to shove something up their rears and give them a great "take or or leave it" offer? Sounds plausible, and it appears outsourcing to a cheaper vendor so you could get better SLI outside the "normal" arbitration process that almost every recent merger has followed. Hypocrite! Thanks to all that, I bet any loyalty other than a bit from "Benedict" Maxblast will be washed down the toilet.


Bye Bye---General Lee

 

[maxblast72]

I understand the merger process, but most mergers try to attain pay parity quickly, especially on the same plane. Oh wait, maybe you guys wanted to shove something up their rears and give them a great "take or or leave it" offer?

The ATN Merger Committee negotiated SIA #1 which gave pay parity to the AirTran side on 4/1/12 as well as some significant C&Rs to blunt the seniority loss until enough senior SWA pilots retired. Gary Kelly thought his $100 million per year offer was generous. The ATN MEC gave Gary Kelly the middle finger against the recommendations of the Merger Committee and attorneys. Given the fact that Gary Kelly was able to dump the B717s, I would hardly say the Plan B threat was a bluff. Fragmentation situations are never pretty. Ask the Pan Am or Eastern pilots.

Thanks to all that, I bet any loyalty other than a bit from "Benedict" Maxblast will be washed down the toilet.

Why the name calling General? You upset that I have no desire to leave a financially secure airline to start at the bottom of an airline with $26 billion in significant liabilities?

 

[BentOver]

In the last 13 years I've come across exactly 3 Delta employees who were nice, not rude, or arrogant... (they were 3 gate agents in SEA who were very very nice and helpfull)

Today I ran across another prick (female kinda maybe?) in a customs line. Had a commute to catch home and everyone in the line had no problem with me scooting ahead to catch a flight.. Well everyone (all 20 or so of them) except this one DL FA (shemale?) who babbled something incoherent about something. Only thing I could make out was that I should get the fastpass thing.. (even though I generally don't do international so it would be a waste of money for the most part) I literally looked at her and said "I lost you about 2 sentences ago!"

This was the first Delta thread I saw so it goes here...

I do feel better now though

 

[General Lee]

In the last 13 years I've come across exactly 3 Delta employees who were nice, not rude, or arrogant... (they were 3 gate agents in SEA who were very very nice and helpfull)

Today I ran across another prick (female kinda maybe?) in a customs line. Had a commute to catch home and everyone in the line had no problem with me scooting ahead to catch a flight.. Well everyone (all 20 or so of them) except this one DL FA (shemale?) who babbled something incoherent about something. Only thing I could make out was that I should get the fastpass thing.. (even though I generally don't do international so it would be a waste of money for the most part) I literally looked at her and said "I lost you about 2 sentences ago!"

This was the first Delta thread I saw so it goes here...

I do feel better now though

Wow, let me guess? You failed the psych eval..... Yeah, yeah you did.


Bye Bye---General Lee

 

[General Lee]

The ATN Merger Committee negotiated SIA #1 which gave pay parity to the AirTran side on 4/1/12 as well as some significant C&Rs to blunt the seniority loss until enough senior SWA pilots retired. Gary Kelly thought his $100 million per year offer was generous. The ATN MEC gave Gary Kelly the middle finger against the recommendations of the Merger Committee and attorneys. Given the fact that Gary Kelly was able to dump the B717s, I would hardly say the Plan B threat was a bluff. Fragmentation situations are never pretty. Ask the Pan Am or Eastern pilots.

Why the name calling General? You upset that I have no desire to leave a financially secure airline to start at the bottom of an airline with $26 billion in significant liabilities?

Max, according to other AT people on this board, you failed miserably at your negotiating post. This being an anonymous board, I have to still think they know about you and maybe know the circumstances. Do you feel bad about letting them down?

As far as DL's debt, with the help from fees that your new management is scared of, I'd say a lot of it will be paid down early. So far, that has been the case, to Wall Street's delight. DL stock has quadrupled since the merger, and record profits triple the amount of yours continue. Consolidation will continue to strengthen the big 3, no doubt. Which one will you apply to? Good luck Max.


Bye Bye---General Lee

 

[BentOver]

Wow, let me guess? You failed the psych eval..... Yeah, yeah you did.


Bye Bye---General Lee

Nope can't say I've ever applied to Delta.. But you do prove my point about the general attitude of nearly every Delta employee I've ever come across

 

[maxblast72]

Max, according to other AT people on this board, you failed miserably at your negotiating post. This being an anonymous board, I have to still think they know about you and maybe know the circumstances. Do you feel bad about letting them down?

The Merger Committee did not use the ATN forum or FlightInfo to gauge the opinions of the pilot group. About 1-2% of the AirTran pilots post regularly and another 20-30% were "lurkers". The Merger Committee was told to get the best negotiated deal twice by the MEC. Unfortunately for the AirTran pilot group, there was a $300 million difference between SIA #1 and SIA #2.

As far as DL's debt, with the help from fees that your new management is scared of, I'd say a lot of it will be paid down early. So far, that has been the case, to Wall Street's delight. DL stock has quadrupled since the merger, and record profits triple the amount of yours continue. Consolidation will continue to strengthen the big 3, no doubt. Which one will you apply to? Good luck Max.

You are just not getting it General. If Delta was paying corporate tax every quarter like Southwest, Delta's profits would only be about double Southwest's. But since Delta's revenues are over twice Southwest's, you still are not getting that Southwest's pre-tax margin was higher than Delta's last quarter.

But I will give you this General. Out of the big 3 carriers that have all gone bankrupt in the last 10 years, Delta is performing the best financially and will probably continue to do so. It seams likely that United-Continental and American-USAirways will continue to struggle with integration issues and fail to capitalize on all the merger synergies promised to investors.

 

[JohnQ]

In the last 13 years I've come across exactly 3 Delta employees who were nice, not rude, or arrogant... (they were 3 gate agents in SEA who were very very nice and helpfull)

Today I ran across another prick (female kinda maybe?) in a customs line. Had a commute to catch home and everyone in the line had no problem with me scooting ahead to catch a flight.. Well everyone (all 20 or so of them) except this one DL FA (shemale?) who babbled something incoherent about something. Only thing I could make out was that I should get the fastpass thing.. (even though I generally don't do international so it would be a waste of money for the most part) I literally looked at her and said "I lost you about 2 sentences ago!"

This was the first Delta thread I saw so it goes here...

I do feel better now though

So.....20 crewmembers have to let you go first because you choose to commute and are too cheap to get Global Entry (it costs $20 a YEAR). I would have let you go in front of me, as we all need to sort of take care of each other, but you seem like a rather entitled sort.

 

[Noserider76]

In the last 13 years I've come across exactly 3 Delta employees who were nice, not rude, or arrogant... (they were 3 gate agents in SEA who were very very nice and helpfull)

Today I ran across another prick (female kinda maybe?) in a customs line. Had a commute to catch home and everyone in the line had no problem with me scooting ahead to catch a flight.. Well everyone (all 20 or so of them) except this one DL FA (shemale?) who babbled something incoherent about something. Only thing I could make out was that I should get the fastpass thing.. (even though I generally don't do international so it would be a waste of money for the most part) I literally looked at her and said "I lost you about 2 sentences ago!"

This was the first Delta thread I saw so it goes here...

I do feel better now though

I think everyone just dislikes you because of your serious self entitlement attitude.