"With you"

[Mach 80]

I've flown many times where a transmission for us was blocked and we didn't hear it. Noone repeats the clearance, including the controller. If someone didn't say "blocked", we would have not gotten the clearance. I have no problem with someone saying "blocked". You guys need to get a life....truly.

Controller's problem then. If the controller doesn't see you doing what he asks he'll certainly get back to you. You'll be protected from any violation because a clearance is not really completed till acknowledged and if your response isn't on the tape, no violation for you.

 

[MALSR]

Here's another tip to cut down on useless radio chatter: When above FL 180 and the controller tells you about traffic, it's just a courtesy call on his part so you won't be startled or worse yet, make an unnecessary evasive manuever. A simple thanks or have him in sight in response will do...absolutely no need to later clog up the frequency and end up blocking some other transmission to report him in sight --- the controller doesn't care one bit if you have him in sight or if you are IMC, that's why you will hear experienced pilots simply acknowlege the call from ATC.

Since this post is so stupid I'm going to keep adding to it for my own personal humor. Mach 80: maybe you should review basic airmanship knowledge concerning traffic advisories, especially #1 and 2:

5-5-10. Traffic Advisories (Traffic Information)​

a. Pilot.​

1. Acknowledges receipt of traffic advisories.​

2. Informs controller if traffic in sight.​

3. Advises ATC if a vector to avoid traffic is desired.​

4. Does not expect to receive radar traffic advisories on all traffic. Some aircraft may not appear on the radar display. Be aware that the controller may be occupied with higher priority duties and unable to issue traffic information for a variety of reasons.​

5. Advises controller if service is not desired.​

b. Controller.​

1. Issues radar traffic to the maximum extent consistent with higher priority duties except in Class A airspace.​

2. Provides vectors to assist aircraft to avoid observed traffic when requested by the pilot.​

3. Issues traffic information to aircraft in the Class B, Class C, and Class D surface areas for sequencing purposes.​

 

[VWDrvr21]

Actually I never directly critique my F/O and how he talks on the radio. Rather, when someone else says "with you" I simply ask him, with a chuckle, if he ever thought how redundant and totally useless and stupid the phrase is. Usually they say something like - they never thought about it, but now that that you mention it, it IS stupid. I find if they had been saying it, they usually try to stop doing it having now realized how utterly dumb it is.

Now....as to things like "Have a nice day" --- another total waste of time. How mundane and insincere. As if...."I wasn't planning on having a nice day, but now that you mention it, I think I will." I especially like the guys who think they have to ask each and every controller they are "checking in with YOU (and not anyone else) ..how ya doing?" As if whatever the controller responds with...that is, IF he does.....means one iota to the pilot asking. It's like going into a store and the totally stranger clerk asks you "How are you?"...as if they really care...therefore I always thank them for asking and then go into a 30 second speil -- "my ingrown toenail got taken care of, the boil on my back got lanced yesterday and feels MUCH better now that it's almost all drained but I still have a little bandage for the last bit , the VD test results turned out negative, I finally got rid of that thing under my armpit....so I'm doing pretty well...thanks for asking!" Try it when walking in with your wife or girlfriend...she'll be impressed with you and not embarrased at all.

Your a loser! And I wouldnt be afraid to tell you to your face if I was your FO!

 

[Mach 80]

Ask a center controller when above FL 180 if he cares whether or not you have the traffic in sight and let us know what he tells you. What you have quoted is geared to VFR below FL180 though it doesn't say so. God that ancient AIM needs revision but the FEDS don't have the time or money.

 

[Mach 80]

And by the way....it's flight level "one eight ZERO" ...not "oh". Try "oh" in the rest of the world and you'll sometimes get your ass handed to you.

 

[Kaman]

Please Tell Us Which Airline???

 

[another cfii]

May the force be "with you".....

How about that in a phrase? is it legal??

 

[buxflyr]

You'll be protected from any violation because a clearance is not really completed till acknowledged and if your response isn't on the tape, no violation for you.

Its "until". Come on Mach 80... get on your game.

 

[Edge540]

And by the way....it's flight level "one eight ZERO" ...not "oh". Try "oh" in the rest of the world and you'll sometimes get your ass handed to you.

What a f*cking tool. You got that FAA application in yet?

 

[capt. megadeth]

Controller's problem then. If the controller doesn't see you doing what he asks he'll certainly get back to you. You'll be protected from any violation because a clearance is not really completed till acknowledged and if your response isn't on the tape, no violation for you.

I'm not talking about a violation, I am talking about flying into another airplane, etc. Besides, I don't really buy what you are saying. I don't think it is that way.

 

[MALSR]

Ask a center controller when above FL 180 if he cares whether or not you have the traffic in sight and let us know what he tells you. What you have quoted is geared to VFR below FL180 though it doesn't say so. God that ancient AIM needs revision but the FEDS don't have the time or money.

"...though it doesn't say so..."- You shouldn't make up your own rules. Come on guys we can get this thread to page 5!

 

[McNugget]

Professional pilots sound like student pilots when they use "with you" in their initial transmissions to ATC. Here's a clue -- ATC knows you are "with them" by the fact you are talking to them! It's redundant and a waste of radio time....especially the stupid "checking in with you". Try dropping the "with you" crap and sound a bit more professional and like you've flown in other parts of the world. Next time you hear "with you" consider how stupid it sounds....and is. It's just a bad habit.

Also...drop the "Any chance..." when what you really meant to do is request something. i.e. "Comair 123 requesting direct xyz".

I'm with you, man! Any chance I can borrow some hair gel?

 

[sirius100]

Not a regional pilot but this is a thread??? $hit they let anyone fly an airplane these days...........

 

[PropPiedmont]

Ask a center controller when above FL 180 if he cares whether or not you have the traffic in sight and let us know what he tells you. What you have quoted is geared to VFR below FL180 though it doesn't say so. God that ancient AIM needs revision but the FEDS don't have the time or money.

What about, "Cleared to land on runway zero one." There's no big zero painted on the runway. Does that bother you Mach? Well, if it didn't, I hope it does now.

 

[svcta]

Hey, Mach.....grab a stop watch. Repeat and log the time difference between:

"Jakass 244 with you at Flight Level 280" and "Jackass 244 at Flight Level 280" and tell me exactly how much "radio time" was wasted. It's your Levitra that takes too long.

 

[Sawmill]

Actually I am. My F/Os laugh at all the stupid stuff I point out that people do and most of them say they never thought of it ..........and that I was right.

Sounds like someone needs a little CRM training...and some professional help. Can anyone say narcissistic? "I am"...a plesure to fly with. "My F/Os..." "...that I point out..." "I was right" Holy crap! 4 times in 2 sentences!!! (Oh, and most regional pilots have not flown around the world, by the way.)

 

[30West]

About 10 years ago I was following a Blue Ridge J32 into IAD and when he checked onto tower at Tille he said "full stop". About s##t myself laughing!

Everyone trips over their own tongue on the radio from time to time.
My only pet peeve is when I'm deadheading and every other word from the crew over the PA is "uhhh"!

http://youtube.com/watch?v=now-ltj8KyQ

 

[Diver Driver]

Well since I just wasted my time reading the last 4 pages of nonsence I will express my opinion "with you".

Come on bro, who cares about how we talk to ATC or the phrases that we use? The important thing is that pilots and controllers understand each other regardless of they way we say it. Examples; I call the altimeter "The meter", Transponder "the flash or the box" ,I also happen to have a hispanic accent so I KNOW I don't sound like a Fighter pilot or an airline captain on the frequency but who really cares, I don't. At the end our message comes across.
A Captain should pay attention to his co-pilot learning and understanding of the aircraft being flown and not to the other pilots communications, it's like listening to some stranger's phone conversation. Maybe spending more time reading the AIM to improve your aviation phraseology and less time in a public forum could prevent unprofessional threads.

With you, have a great evening, Adios
DD

 

[Fly2Scuba]

And by the way....it's flight level "one eight ZERO" ...not "oh". Try "oh" in the rest of the world and you'll sometimes get your ass handed to you.

The rest of the ATC world starting with Quebec, Canada should be speaking English to all aircraft including their own nationals so the rest of us have better situation awareness. Even that may be a bit nit picky, but nowhere near what you are trying to accomplish. I think you could have made your points, some of which are valid, in a much more pleasant way.

 

[Way2Broke]

I have started saying "with you" just to upset people like you. You shouldn't let the small things both you, you'll live longer.