"With you"

[capt. megadeth]

Actually I am. My F/Os laugh at all the stupid stuff I point out that people do and most of them say they never thought of it ..........and that I was right.

They are just saying that because you are the captain and they have to keep the peace because they have to deal with you for the rest of the month/trip. I know because when a captain is spewing b.s., I do the same thing just to keep the peace.

 

[capt. megadeth]

I know the type. The captain that points out of this small sh!t and the polite FO's give a nice chuckle and then look out their window for the rest for the flight thinking "Where can I access that no-fly with list?"

Who cares?

LOL! Exactly my point above!

 

[blzr]

Also funny listning to clearance delivery when you hear, "Airshuttle #### like to get my instruments to KMCO. I mean, How else you gonna get there??? Just sounds like I used to when getting an IFR flying a C172.

Just sounds humorous sometimes, and I get Bored easily and have nothing better to do than pick on stupid people.

 

[skiandsurf]

Also funny listning to clearance delivery when you hear, "Airshuttle #### like to get my instruments to KMCO. I mean, How else you gonna get there??? Just sounds like I used to when getting an IFR flying a C172.

Just sounds humorous sometimes, and I get Bored easily and have nothing better to do than pick on stupid people.

I remember hearing a guy (COEX) going into EWR, and "requesting a full stop landing". I am sure (I hope) he was just messing around.


But back to the "with you", I use to say that until someone (maybe Mach 80) pointed it out to me, and now it does slightly annoy me to hear that.

 

[RCA]

My favorite of all time was an American pilot request IFR clrnc verbaitam from the AIM. The controller chuckled and of course the pilot read the clrnc back just like he was refrencing the AIM. I wonder if the captain was giving him sh!t about his phraseology and decided to take it up a notch.

 

[Mach 80]

Actually I never directly critique my F/O and how he talks on the radio. Rather, when someone else says "with you" I simply ask him, with a chuckle, if he ever thought how redundant and totally useless and stupid the phrase is. Usually they say something like - they never thought about it, but now that that you mention it, it IS stupid. I find if they had been saying it, they usually try to stop doing it having now realized how utterly dumb it is.

Now....as to things like "Have a nice day" --- another total waste of time. How mundane and insincere. As if...."I wasn't planning on having a nice day, but now that you mention it, I think I will." I especially like the guys who think they have to ask each and every controller they are "checking in with YOU (and not anyone else) ..how ya doing?" As if whatever the controller responds with...that is, IF he does.....means one iota to the pilot asking. It's like going into a store and the totally stranger clerk asks you "How are you?"...as if they really care...therefore I always thank them for asking and then go into a 30 second speil -- "my ingrown toenail got taken care of, the boil on my back got lanced yesterday and feels MUCH better now that it's almost all drained but I still have a little bandage for the last bit , the VD test results turned out negative, I finally got rid of that thing under my armpit....so I'm doing pretty well...thanks for asking!" Try it when walking in with your wife or girlfriend...she'll be impressed with you and not embarrased at all.

 

[Mookie]

Mach 80 during your initial crew brief do you say things like "I'm laid back" "lets keep it standard just like the book says" "unless you have and questions lets go have some" "fun"
If you do great keep it up because with that brief guys will know exactly what to expect. They will already know your going to ride their arss about saying checking in with you

Capt. "I'm mellow...i'll just let you fly the airplane, and let's just have fun."

translation..."I'm' going to ride your ass, I want things done my way (which is similar to the airplane that I flew previously, and we're going to talk about fishng and hunting for three straight days, and I expect you to know every thing about fishing for King Salmon in Yakutat. And I know you are on probation, and I'm good buds with the chief pilot...so watch your ********************."

Mach 80...you nailed it...

Mookie

 

[Mach 80]

Here's another tip to cut down on useless radio chatter: When above FL 180 and the controller tells you about traffic, it's just a courtesy call on his part so you won't be startled or worse yet, make an unnecessary evasive manuever. A simple thanks or have him in sight in response will do...absolutely no need to later clog up the frequency and end up blocking some other transmission to report him in sight --- the controller doesn't care one bit if you have him in sight or if you are IMC, that's why you will hear experienced pilots simply acknowlege the call from ATC.

You guys might think I'm a jerk to fly with but I'm not. After 35 years of hearing stupid stuff on the radio and bad radio habits snowball as they get passed down from one generation of pilots to the next I decided to speak up some. Now.....with an ATIS reporting a 6 knot wind...be sure and get your "wind check".

 

[Goose Egg]

"With ya," and "checking in" aren't the biggest deal. It's non-standard and gets a little annoying when things are really busy out there, but otherwise, there are other things that probably deserve more attention. Any 300+ hour pilot should know better, and I don't say things like that when I'm on the frequency, but I'm not going to throw fits if someone else does.

-Goose

 

[lindsaya99]

This thread is stupid. I'm going back to read about the guy who crapped himself. Who is with me?

 

[Edge540]

blah blah blah I have a lot of built up blah rage blah that I need to blah deal with blah but I blah don't know blah how blah

For you kind sir:

http://www.amazon.com/Making-Prozac-Decision-Guide-Antidepressants/dp/1565658035

 

[Flyby1206]

I bet you say 'Tree' and 'Fife' instead of three and five.

 

[Amish RakeFight]

I think a lot of these phrases (with you, checkin in, in the box, punching out, yadda yadda yadda) come from when we first learned to become instrument pilots. Somehow the standard phraseology sounds too mundane and amature-like, so in an effort to sound more like a seasoned pro, instrument students begin using a lot of non-standard jargon, just to sound cool.

And in my opinion, the "have a nice day" thing actually comes from the controller initally. When switching over to departure, tower usually says something like that. Courteous pilots almost always recipricate the well-wishing. It just might be ATC's way of alleviating the impersonalization of barking commands to faceless voices all day. Nothing wrong with telling someone to have a nice day. Being friendly on your job makes for a plesant atmosphere.

 

[Relic01]

Get a life please!

 

[PilotSkydiver]

Sorry, I've gotta give my .02 on this one
Professional Pilots should know when the frequency is cluttered or not and use phraseology that matches the situation. if I choose to use "Checking in" or "How 'ya doin", or "Konnichiwa" or whatever its my ticket and you souldn't worry about it. I cant believe there are 3 pages of rant over something so stupid. If you cant take it, it might be time to find yourself a new job or retire or something man. Try and have a little fun at work. Do it safely, but I don't think a few extra words now and again is inherently dangerous. If you can quote me an accident where "Non-Essential" communications over ATC frequency's caused an major accident I'll shut up. But until then I think we have a lot of more important safety issues like 16 hr duty days and an ATC system built in the 60's that is over loaded and needs an overhaul that we need to take care of first....

"OK over to Tower, GOOD DAY"

 

[Kaman]

I wish I had a dime for every superfluous radio call that I've heard over the years...I think that we ALL do it from time to time and in the grand scheme of things it's not that big of a deal to be a little "folksy" on the radio. This is especially true if you fly the same routes day in and day out. Mach 80 is probably the same JACKA@@ that say's, "Blocked" all the time. Which personally gets on my nerves, but again it's the least of my worries and I just shrug and ignore...go about my business and say, "Hey, Center we're recieving Linden and going direct if thats OK with y'all"

 

[Mach 80]

Oh yes..the "Blocked" policemen. I never say "blocked" because half the time the guy hears the transmission anyway despite you thinking it was completely "blocked". Additionaly if the guy doesn't get the readback he expects, he'll just repeat it...and inevitably the "blocked" policeman ends up blocking the repeat so now it's third attempt....and maybe more with a new "blocked"..it could go on forever. Just shut-up with the "blocked" and let things unfold by themselves.

If I'm told to have a nice day by a controller I ask them if they ever get tired of telling pilots what to do. Or if I feel like it I just say "whatever" and sometimes a simple "no". It's fun.

 

[capt. megadeth]

Actually I never directly critique my F/O and how he talks on the radio. Rather, when someone else says "with you" I simply ask him, with a chuckle, if he ever thought how redundant and totally useless and stupid the phrase is. Usually they say something like - they never thought about it, but now that that you mention it, it IS stupid. I find if they had been saying it, they usually try to stop doing it having now realized how utterly dumb it is.

Once again, they agree with you as they are thinking "anal f***". They don't use it again while flying with you because they don't want to hear about it again. I would start using it more just to f*** with you.

 

[capt. megadeth]

Oh yes..the "Blocked" policemen. I never say "blocked" because half the time the guy hears the transmission anyway despite you thinking it was completely "blocked". Additionaly if the guy doesn't get the readback he expects, he'll just repeat it...and inevitably the "blocked" policeman ends up blocking the repeat so now it's third attempt....and maybe more with a new "blocked"..it could go on forever. Just shut-up with the "blocked" and let things unfold by themselves.

I've flown many times where a transmission for us was blocked and we didn't hear it. Noone repeats the clearance, including the controller. If someone didn't say "blocked", we would have not gotten the clearance. I have no problem with someone saying "blocked". You guys need to get a life....truly.

 

[daviator28621]

Mach 80, I appreciate your professionalism. However you sound like its real hard to make you happy. Chances are you suck the joy out of someones day every time they come in contact with you. How sad. I prefer to be remembered as someone who brightened another's day. You are probably in favor of the FAA reprimanding controllers for being friendly, thats in another thread on FI.
I bet the waiter spits in your food too. LOL