Why some jetBlue pilots post such extreme negativity.

[B6Busdriver]

I swear, I hate myself for doing this, but I can't help it. I had resigned myself to stop attempting to educate morons the refuse to wake up from fantasyland and enter the real world with the rest of us, because my time is far more valuable. It could be spent playing with my little girl, hunting ducks, or playing golf, but it's raining, it's not cold enough for ducks to fly down here, and my girl is napping, so I will make one last attempt.

Splert is one of the top 5 dumbest, most pathetic people I have ever seen on here, and I am actually ashamed that I am a member of the same professional 'guild' if you will, that he is a member of. I suppose bad weather never happens anywhere else, eh? I suppose they never have broken airplanes or EDCT times at those other airlines you speak of that increase duty day times and cause long days. No, of course not.

You are still a f-cking idiot, and I have nothing left to say to you. Any further attempt to bring you back to reality would be akin to trying to talk a brick wall into getting softer. You are a waste of oxygen and not worth one more second of my time.

It has been my experience, for the most part, that airline captains are among the most pathetic, worthless individuals I have ever met. There are, of course, exceptions, but most of them are just pathetic. Most of the negative Jetblue people on here are precisely what I am talking about.

You are in the top 5% of wage-earners in this country. You have a job that millions of people on this planet, and thousands upon thousands of other pilots just in this country would kill for, and all you can do is complain and whine like a 4 year old little titty baby. You could be making $500,000 a year to work 6 days a month and you'd still be bitching and moaning as if you were working in a sweatshop in China. THAT is what I find pathetic, and that is why I harbor so much disdain for the modern day airline captain. No wonder you're mostly all divorced and in so much debt. I'd dump your a$$, too.

What is so beyond stupidity is that most of the people that you are whining and crying so much to actually SUPPORT ALPA. Take Smarta$$. He has said NUMEROUS times on here he is in FAVOR of ALPA at Jetblue. I am no different. I am FOR ALPA. I am a YES voter. Yet, you have B6Busdriver on here screaming like a baby about how he is a juicer and no voter, blah blah blah, without having a goddam clue about his actual position. The only exception I have seen on here is ASA_Aviator, and I've already said my peace with him about the stupidity of his position, so that is irrelevant.

Smarta$$ has made some VERY real comments about on here fighting the moronic position that a regional airline captain is better off staying than going to Jetblue. The regional model is dying a slow, painful death as we speak and I honestly believe, in a few years, will be damn near gone. Their endless supply of puppy mill pilots willing to work for nothing is drying up, and they will be losing all of their current pilots to Legacy and Major carriers in a few short years. Where are they going to get people? I find their future dubious at best, and if I were a captain at a regional, I'd be looking for a way out right now. Comair was the first to die, Pinnacle has a terminal illness, and others will soon follow. It is only a matter of time.

Here's the rub: NOBODY on here is disagreeing with you idiots about our pay and benefits. We KNOW we are behind in retirement. We KNOW our health insurance sucks. We KNOW we have no workrules, our pay is lagging behind their composed PSIA, and we KNOW we need a CBA. We are NOT disputing this. ALL of us recognize the need for improvement, and ALL of us know that it is going to be a while before we see the left seat and even longer before we are holding a line in the left seat.

The difference is we aren't on here whining and complaining like a bunch of goddam preschool, bed wetting, booger eating, spoiled little turds.

You are on here pointing out everything negative you can think about while you are sitting around making about $150-$200K per year in the left seat of a 150 seat narrowbody holding a line complaining to a bunch of junior people about how pathetic and bad your life is. That is like taking your fat, pathetic a$$ to Africa and bitching to a starving child about how you don't like the caviar they served last night at the giant f-cking smorgasboard buffet you ate at.

Go f-ck yourself. We don't want to hear it. There isn't a single person here that wouldn't trade places with you in a second. You have NO IDEA how good you have it, not just in the industry, but in the world as a whole. Yet all you can do is complain and whine like a goddam spoiled child. I am ashamed of you, and ashamed that you are a member of my profession.

There have been many on here, myself included that have said Jetblue is not a bad place to work. It's not. It's a good place to work. You will make more money here as an FO then at ANY regional as a captain. You could come here and sit right seat for 30 years and you'd still be in better shape than if you stayed at your regional. Do we have our problems? Yes. We do. We have a very young pilot group and very few retirements until about 2030, which is a LONG time away. We make less money, have fewer benefits, and more problems than any legacy, even American. This is fact, and I don't dispute it. We need a ALPA, and we need improvements. But in reality, the only thing you might have to deal with that will truly disgust you at Jetblue is having to fly with guys like Splert who complain about how terrible their life is after their 3rd divorce and having to sell their boat and 4th sports car so they can pay alimony, and are only able to derive some small amount of pleasure in life by attempting to make you as miserable and pathetic as he is.

Jetblue is a good job. Can I guarantee you will be better off than your regional? Hell no, I'm not Dionne Warwick, your psychic friend. We could go out of business tomorrow. But people that got hired at United in the mid 90's thought they were damn sure going to be set for life, and look how that turned out. Meanwhile, they were pointing and laughing at all their buddies that went to some crappy little airline in Texas named Southwest. 2 decades later, we know how that turned out.

What I have told you is reality. What the whiners on here complain about is not. Do your research, make your own judgements. Don't listen to me or anybody else on a stupid internet message board. All we can do is give you our opinion on the subject.

And opinions are like a$$holes.

Yeah this a good place to work even though the pay and benefits are less than everyone else. I get it, attack the messengers when you don't have the facts.

 

[clickclickboom]

I think the major issue here is that we are seeing backwards movement in light of record profits. JB management is spending millions to hire third party labor consultants, specialists, and emplyee management marketing firms in an attempt to reduce budgets and enhance shareholder value and our latest tagline of the month " ROIC " Return on Invested Capital

The problem with that is that jb is already operating with a large casm advantage yet our management team wants more. The only place they can meet the consultants guaranteed goals is by lowering employee costs.

Jetblue will save millions this year if they kept our monthly costs for insurance the same as last year and just implenented the benefit reductions that we are facing this year.. But thats not good enough they wanted their cake and they more than doubled the monthly cost to $300 per month compared to blue care 1 that i was on last year.

Get this blue care 3 was the closest match to the new plan yet offered superior coverage. That was $50 per month now $300 for less. They even dumped the ER copay completely and then finally after the uproar made it sound like they were gifting us a doubled copay of $150 to $300.

The TRENDS show that many employers are ALSO offering similar plans yet they STILL offer traditional plans. Jetblue dumped all the traditional plans and for some it will be a 600% increase. Southwest has the same plan its $11 a month Airways has one similar but has a $800 deductible vs our $2600 theirs is $47. My wife works for a large company and they offered a similar plan at NO COST. Ours $300 The issue is not that industry wide employers will see a 5.3% increase next year. the issue at hand is that jb has taken an employee benefit and turned it into a profit center for the corporation.

I personally feel that it is very disturbing to receive communications from our PVC that is in direct negotiation with management and have them tel us in not to many words that the company basically refuses to address the issues.

Lets face it its a decent job but we are working harder than our direct peers for less. Less pay, less benefits, less healthcare coverage, less protection for our families, and a new health care and benefit plan that can lead to financial ruin if the right chain of events transpire.

All the while being brainwashed into believing that the company will fail unless we work for less.

Nobody expects industry leading anything all we asked for was average while committing to deliver industry leading performance and efficiency for the benefit of the company. Yet here we are more than a half decade later with minimal improvements to show, numerous reductions to show, and less protections for our families. Some of you may not know because you didnt work here but i did and so do many others.

Question: Define Industry Average pay compensation and benefits. Now define industry COMPETITIVE pay compensation and benefits. That is the most recent change made without any input from the pilot group. Is competitive 10% behind? 20%?

Managements legal department already knows the answer but you and i do not.

Come to jetblue??? Sure but you would be a fool not to leave for ANY of the other majors with their UNION negotiated new cba's and retirement outlook. Not doing so could cost you a couple million.. Bright future at JB? Yes compared to mesa or pinnacle where you came from. Be informed get the facts and always have a plan B..

 

[Splert]

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Ahhhhhh. Bliss.

Ah took your ball home.

 

[CapnVegetto]

I think the major issue here is that we are seeing backwards movement in light of record profits. JB management is spending millions to hire third party labor consultants, specialists, and emplyee management marketing firms in an attempt to reduce budgets and enhance shareholder value and our latest tagline of the month " ROIC " Return on Invested Capital

The problem with that is that jb is already operating with a large casm advantage yet our management team wants more. The only place they can meet the consultants guaranteed goals is by lowering employee costs.

Jetblue will save millions this year if they kept our monthly costs for insurance the same as last year and just implenented the benefit reductions that we are facing this year.. But thats not good enough they wanted their cake and they more than doubled the monthly cost to $300 per month compared to blue care 1 that i was on last year.

Get this blue care 3 was the closest match to the new plan yet offered superior coverage. That was $50 per month now $300 for less. They even dumped the ER copay completely and then finally after the uproar made it sound like they were gifting us a doubled copay of $150 to $300.

The TRENDS show that many employers are ALSO offering similar plans yet they STILL offer traditional plans. Jetblue dumped all the traditional plans and for some it will be a 600% increase. Southwest has the same plan its $11 a month Airways has one similar but has a $800 deductible vs our $2600 theirs is $47. My wife works for a large company and they offered a similar plan at NO COST. Ours $300 The issue is not that industry wide employers will see a 5.3% increase next year. the issue at hand is that jb has taken an employee benefit and turned it into a profit center for the corporation.

I personally feel that it is very disturbing to receive communications from our PVC that is in direct negotiation with management and have them tel us in not to many words that the company basically refuses to address the issues.

Lets face it its a decent job but we are working harder than our direct peers for less. Less pay, less benefits, less healthcare coverage, less protection for our families, and a new health care and benefit plan that can lead to financial ruin if the right chain of events transpire.

All the while being brainwashed into believing that the company will fail unless we work for less.

Nobody expects industry leading anything all we asked for was average while committing to deliver industry leading performance and efficiency for the benefit of the company. Yet here we are more than a half decade later with minimal improvements to show, numerous reductions to show, and less protections for our families. Some of you may not know because you didnt work here but i did and so do many others.

Question: Define Industry Average pay compensation and benefits. Now define industry COMPETITIVE pay compensation and benefits. That is the most recent change made without any input from the pilot group. Is competitive 10% behind? 20%?

Managements legal department already knows the answer but you and i do not.

Come to jetblue??? Sure but you would be a fool not to leave for ANY of the other majors with their UNION negotiated new cba's and retirement outlook. Not doing so could cost you a couple million.. Bright future at JB? Yes compared to mesa or pinnacle where you came from. Be informed get the facts and always have a plan B..

Bud, I don't disagree with any of that. If a major calls, I'm gone. I'm not arguing that.

Those are facts and they are NOT incorrect. We aren't arguing there. But to say that a regional is better or that it's a terrible horrible job that nobody would want is just f-cking STUPID. You are STILL going to so OK there. You WILL make more money as an FO at B6 then as a regional captain, and you WILL live a good, comfortable life if you are not an idiot that spends tons of money you don't have.

Simple math: If you take the top regional CA payrate of $105 an hour, multiply 80 hours a month, 12 months a year, for 30 years, you get 3,052,800 bucks career earnings.

You can run up the JetBlue payscale at 81 hours a month starting from year 1 FO pay, (assuming 80 hours + 1 extra hour to account for premium pay.

Here's what you make starting from year 1:

1. $48,600
2. $69,984
3. $82,620
4. $89,424
5. $94,284
6. $98,172
7. $101,088
8. $102,060
9. $104,976
10. $105,948
11. $108,864
12. $110,808

18 years at 12 year FO pay = $1,994,544

Add up all other years = $1,320,948 + $1,994,544 = $3,315,492

3,315,492 - 3,052,800 = you come out $262,692 ahead.

Again, that assumes a 30 year career, STARTING at the regional at top captain payrate, never picking a trip at JetBlue, never upgrading, never getting any holiday pay and only 1 hour (roughly) of premium pay, and you STILL come out almost $300k ahead.

The numbers differ greatly for say, a 20 year career, but again, I am REALLY skewing the numbers in the regionals' favor by assuming you NEVER upgrade, NEVER hold a line as a captain, and NEVER pick up a trip ANYWHERE.

Numbers don't lie. It's better to come here.

 

[Splert]

It's better to come here.

Maybe!

 

[Bob_Sacamano]

OP, you're sorely mistaken. I had enough of JB's crap and I did quit and went to a much better airline. Just because you don't have the balls to do it, don't act like it's not happening. I think 10% of the JB seniority list quit the year I left.

 

[Vastly Underemp]

Actually 2013 will likely be 13-14 aircraft. Net growth.

2013 will see 8 net aircraft, per Maruster

 

[Smarta$$]

I guess we have 355 more days to know for sure.

 

[Splert]

I guess we have 355 more days to know for sure.

Less than 100 days.

 

[Smarta$$]

Less than 100 days.

.........How so?