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Nothing wrong with that position. It's as valid as your position.

In house is fantasyland. How is your inhouse campaign going. All you gluttons for punishment claim you want an inhouse yet you do NOTHING. Get on it, I'll sign a card today but I will write in ALPA.
 
I hate to blow your cover to the world, but you 10 or so extremists are exaggerating the problems we have and making things sound far worse than they are as a strategy to starve jetBlue of new hire\applicants

Einstein, wouldn't it be a better "strategery" to sunshine up the place and have new hires quit after a year or so?

Drive up training costs while 10 - 25 pilots leave per week/month and starve the operation from the inside out? Remember it only takes 1 day to quit and 4 months to place a resume into the right seat.

Is that what you are doing?

I hope it works out for new hire here and this place can make it work for pilots and company. But right now I don't think the company has the slightest interest if pilot leave or stay. As long as the metal get moved they are okay.
 
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Since you brought up JB's "long history", look at our "history" of fleet growth last year, the year before, the year before..... Those numbers are net growth. You are lieing, again. We have sold and returned some, but it has almost always resulted in significant net fleet growth, as history proves.

You're an alarmist, with an agenda. You do NOT care about the career choices of others as much as you pretend. You are NOT trying to save others from a questionable career decision. You don't care that much about what some regional jet jockey does with his life. This is a starve JB of new applicants/hires strategy and an attemp to embarrass JB pilots into voting what you want.

The VAST majoriity of guys I fly with are very happy here. That doesn't mean they don't want improvements and many are willing to vote union, but they are happy still.

You are full of &&&&.

Wow, strong accusations. Please take my posts line by line, fact by fact and let me know where I am lying. You can't refute the facts so stoop to calling names. Again show me where my facts are not correct. Unlike you my arguments are based on facts not emotions.

When I was in recurrent back in October they told us 4 airplanes were scheduled to go back but may be kept if favorable rates could be negotiated. JetBlue was scheduled to get many more airplanes over the past few year but did not, in fact they paid termination fees to Airbus. Google it, it's all right there.

Again my intentions are to bring the facts. You are awfully defensive, I could care less if someone does or does not want to apply. I have some friends that have applied and many that are not interested. I have several retired military and commuter guys in my neighborhood that have told me they aren't interested.
 
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In house is fantasyland. How is your inhouse campaign going. All you gluttons for punishment claim you want an inhouse yet you do NOTHING. Get on it, I'll sign a card today but I will write in ALPA.

Probably the same as your ALPA drive, with the difference being that a lot, including me, will vote "no" to ALPA.
 
Probably the same as your ALPA drive, with the difference being that a lot, including me, will vote "no" to ALPA.

Let's review. AirTran was in house paying 3% dues going no where before they merged with ALPA. FedEx was in house an went no where for years before going ALPA. You don't work for ASA anymore. That was a fee for departure carrier with substandard protections. You don't work for a regional carrier anymore. Another ALPA drive is under way and will win this time. You and your in house buddies need to get to work. How will we pay for this in house union? Are you willing to pay thousands in assessments only to have less benefits then ALPA? You're being emotional, think logically.
 
No way JetBlue gets 17 airplanes in 2015 unless many are given back as leases expire. You can count on that. JetBlue has a long history of selling airplanes. I believe 4 are expected to be returned in 2013. Some, none, or all may be returned. I want to see scheduled lease returns and net deliveries. Pilot Retirements or lack there of are a real issue for a new hire or anyone below seniority number 1000.

Sorry, just the numbers of aircraft flying. How many have we sold or returned in the last 48 months? facts please.....
 
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Sorry, just the numbers of aircraft flying. How many have we sold or returned in the last 48 months? facts please.....

How many have been deferred? How many are scheduled to be returned? How much to JetBlue pay Airbus to defer some of these aircraft. Google it.
 
How many have been deferred? How many are scheduled to be returned? How much to JetBlue pay Airbus to defer some of these aircraft. Google it.

Why? Our "history" clearly shows net fleet growth of about 9 aircraft a year in all of the recent years. More in our more distant history. They are stating and will state to the investors soon that 2013 will be our biggest growth year since 2006. 9 aircraft (or more) net growth per year, which we have almost always sustained and are being told to expect, is about 5% fleet expansion which will correlate more or less (more over the long term) with pilot seniority list expansion.

5% per year is close to, and in most cases more than the expected sustained retirements at each legacy. Now, you could argue that growth could theoretically stop here at JB, and reasonable people could argue that not every retiring pilot will be replaced at a legacy.

But either way, you will argue what ever side of any issue to make it look worse for JB.
 
Why? Our "history" clearly shows net fleet growth of about 9 aircraft a year in all of the recent years. More in our more distant history. They are stating and will state to the investors soon that 2013 will be our biggest growth year since 2006. 9 aircraft (or more) net growth per year, which we have almost always sustained and are being told to expect, is about 5% fleet expansion which will correlate more or less (more over the long term) with pilot seniority list expansion.

5% per year is close to, and in most cases more than the expected sustained retirements at each legacy. Now, you could argue that growth could theoretically stop here at JB, and reasonable people could argue that not every retiring pilot will be replaced at a legacy.

But either way, you will argue what ever side of any issue to make it look worse for JB.

Look skippy, as I told you earlier in this thread I was told up to 4 aircraft may go back or may not. You hate it when people bring up facts, I know you wish this place was as great as you though it was when you got hired. Reality is a tough thing. Not to worry though, almost 20 pilots have been fired over the last year. That makes for great attrition doesn't it?
 
I guess you get your facts from Wikiipedia or Facebook......Please continue, you keep looking foolish.
Cheers,
Skippy
 
I guess you get your facts from Wikiipedia or Facebook......Please continue, you keep looking foolish.
Cheers,
Skippy

No I read things like quarterly earnings reports, investor websites, and subscription news sources. I'm sure in your world if it isn't in the corporate daily news then it can't be true or didn't happen.
 
I would expect as A321 come on line for a320 and e190 to drop off while maintaining 6% - 8% ASM growth via more seats and routes like red eye turns from sea to ANC.

Or the latest rumor is an E190 SJU hub and 4 additional 320 as the company rotates aircraft though the interior shop.
 
I swear, I hate myself for doing this, but I can't help it. I had resigned myself to stop attempting to educate morons the refuse to wake up from fantasyland and enter the real world with the rest of us, because my time is far more valuable. It could be spent playing with my little girl, hunting ducks, or playing golf, but it's raining, it's not cold enough for ducks to fly down here, and my girl is napping, so I will make one last attempt.

Splert is one of the top 5 dumbest, most pathetic people I have ever seen on here, and I am actually ashamed that I am a member of the same professional 'guild' if you will, that he is a member of. I suppose bad weather never happens anywhere else, eh? I suppose they never have broken airplanes or EDCT times at those other airlines you speak of that increase duty day times and cause long days. No, of course not.

You are still a f-cking idiot, and I have nothing left to say to you. Any further attempt to bring you back to reality would be akin to trying to talk a brick wall into getting softer. You are a waste of oxygen and not worth one more second of my time.

It has been my experience, for the most part, that airline captains are among the most pathetic, worthless individuals I have ever met. There are, of course, exceptions, but most of them are just pathetic. Most of the negative Jetblue people on here are precisely what I am talking about.

You are in the top 5% of wage-earners in this country. You have a job that millions of people on this planet, and thousands upon thousands of other pilots just in this country would kill for, and all you can do is complain and whine like a 4 year old little titty baby. You could be making $500,000 a year to work 6 days a month and you'd still be bitching and moaning as if you were working in a sweatshop in China. THAT is what I find pathetic, and that is why I harbor so much disdain for the modern day airline captain. No wonder you're mostly all divorced and in so much debt. I'd dump your a$$, too.

What is so beyond stupidity is that most of the people that you are whining and crying so much to actually SUPPORT ALPA. Take Smarta$$. He has said NUMEROUS times on here he is in FAVOR of ALPA at Jetblue. I am no different. I am FOR ALPA. I am a YES voter. Yet, you have B6Busdriver on here screaming like a baby about how he is a juicer and no voter, blah blah blah, without having a goddam clue about his actual position. The only exception I have seen on here is ASA_Aviator, and I've already said my peace with him about the stupidity of his position, so that is irrelevant.

Smarta$$ has made some VERY real comments about on here fighting the moronic position that a regional airline captain is better off staying than going to Jetblue. The regional model is dying a slow, painful death as we speak and I honestly believe, in a few years, will be damn near gone. Their endless supply of puppy mill pilots willing to work for nothing is drying up, and they will be losing all of their current pilots to Legacy and Major carriers in a few short years. Where are they going to get people? I find their future dubious at best, and if I were a captain at a regional, I'd be looking for a way out right now. Comair was the first to die, Pinnacle has a terminal illness, and others will soon follow. It is only a matter of time.

Here's the rub: NOBODY on here is disagreeing with you idiots about our pay and benefits. We KNOW we are behind in retirement. We KNOW our health insurance sucks. We KNOW we have no workrules, our pay is lagging behind their composed PSIA, and we KNOW we need a CBA. We are NOT disputing this. ALL of us recognize the need for improvement, and ALL of us know that it is going to be a while before we see the left seat and even longer before we are holding a line in the left seat.

The difference is we aren't on here whining and complaining like a bunch of goddam preschool, bed wetting, booger eating, spoiled little turds.

You are on here pointing out everything negative you can think about while you are sitting around making about $150-$200K per year in the left seat of a 150 seat narrowbody holding a line complaining to a bunch of junior people about how pathetic and bad your life is. That is like taking your fat, pathetic a$$ to Africa and bitching to a starving child about how you don't like the caviar they served last night at the giant f-cking smorgasboard buffet you ate at.

Go f-ck yourself. We don't want to hear it. There isn't a single person here that wouldn't trade places with you in a second. You have NO IDEA how good you have it, not just in the industry, but in the world as a whole. Yet all you can do is complain and whine like a goddam spoiled child. I am ashamed of you, and ashamed that you are a member of my profession.

There have been many on here, myself included that have said Jetblue is not a bad place to work. It's not. It's a good place to work. You will make more money here as an FO then at ANY regional as a captain. You could come here and sit right seat for 30 years and you'd still be in better shape than if you stayed at your regional. Do we have our problems? Yes. We do. We have a very young pilot group and very few retirements until about 2030, which is a LONG time away. We make less money, have fewer benefits, and more problems than any legacy, even American. This is fact, and I don't dispute it. We need a ALPA, and we need improvements. But in reality, the only thing you might have to deal with that will truly disgust you at Jetblue is having to fly with guys like Splert who complain about how terrible their life is after their 3rd divorce and having to sell their boat and 4th sports car so they can pay alimony, and are only able to derive some small amount of pleasure in life by attempting to make you as miserable and pathetic as he is.

Jetblue is a good job. Can I guarantee you will be better off than your regional? Hell no, I'm not Dionne Warwick, your psychic friend. We could go out of business tomorrow. But people that got hired at United in the mid 90's thought they were damn sure going to be set for life, and look how that turned out. Meanwhile, they were pointing and laughing at all their buddies that went to some crappy little airline in Texas named Southwest. 2 decades later, we know how that turned out.

What I have told you is reality. What the whiners on here complain about is not. Do your research, make your own judgements. Don't listen to me or anybody else on a stupid internet message board. All we can do is give you our opinion on the subject.

And opinions are like a$$holes.
 
Someone just looked underneath their bed and discovered their secret bottle of Nivea is gone and instead of molesting himself before Mommy came home he decided to post on Fi.com. Do you feel better now?
 
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