Why some jetBlue pilots post such extreme negativity.

[B6Busdriver]

I believe the threat of the union is more effective than the union itself. I do an in-house union. If ALPA is voted in, I believe things will get worse, not better... but hey, what do I know?

Really? Let's see, we have had a union vote twice. The first time they responded with a pay raise that didn't do much for the majority of the pilots. After the second vote they just jacked our health insurance rates through the roof. Now they know a third drive is under way and the company has responded by firing pilots that are former OC members. Yep, threatening a union is working swimmingly wouldn't you say?

 

[Splert]

I believe the threat of the union is more effective than the union itself.

"Chicken Boy" Part 2.

 

[B6Busdriver]

I believe the threat of the union is more effective than the union itself. I do an in-house union. If ALPA is voted in, I believe things will get worse, not better... but hey, what do I know?

Last I checked DL just got a raise and improved benefits. Look like UA did too. Hawaiian has better pay rates and benefits then JetBlue. Alaska has similar pay but much better benefits then JetBlue. How did these pilot groups achieve this? What common source do they use to negotiate? We get it, you hate ALPA but try to take emotion out of equation.

PS

Just awarded a 85hr line for Feb, looks like an Alaska pilot would make $700 more. Also Alaska pilots enjoy a 13.5% B fund PLUS profit sharing. Over the last few years that has equated to 21% retirement contribution. Alaska pilots contact is amendable April 2013. You do understand the difference between a B fund and a 401K right?

 

[Splert]

Last I checked DL just got a raise and improved benefits. Look like UA did too. Hawaiian has better pay rates and benefits then JetBlue. Alaska has similar pay but much better benefits then JetBlue. How did these pilot groups achieve this? What common source do they use to negotiate? We get it, you hate ALPA but try to take emotion out of equation.

No they don't. That is not true. You are lying. Jetblue pilots after 3 union threats have to have better conditions of service than Mesa, I mean ALA and HAL.

Jetblue must because the threat of the union is more effective than a union.

We have threatened 3 times and maybe a forth threat in the coming months. After 3 or 4 threats our conditions of service have to be better because ALA has only had one union and we have had 3 threats maybe 4.

We started collecting cards for an in house and our CEO told the pilot group that JBPA kicked him in the teeth. In other words we assaulted him and therefore he can fight back now!

 

[B6Busdriver]

No they don't. That is not true. You are lying. Jetblue pilots after 3 union threats have to have better conditions of service than Mesa, I mean ALA and HAL.

Jetblue must because the threat of the union is more effective than a union.

We have threatened 3 times and maybe a forth threat in the coming months. After 3 or 4 threats our conditions of service have to be better because ALA has only had one union and we have had 3 threats maybe 4.

We started collecting cards for an in house and our CEO told the pilot group that JBPA kicked him in the teeth. In other words we assaulted him and therefore he can fight back now!

I swore we had to have better pay and benefits. After all that's what Dave and the Bobs told us. Turns out....we don't! Shocking isn't it!

 

[boomlrd]

I hate to say it, because I consider Spirits contract to be sub par, but yet we have apps from JB guys? Is it that bad there?

 

[B6Busdriver]

I hate to say it, because I consider Spirits contract to be sub par, but yet we have apps from JB guys? Is it that bad there?

No retirements and minimal growth. Probably makes sense for the junior guys.

 

[Flyer1015]

Juicer 1 says life is great and you could be off reserve in a month and then you will hold 18 days off.

a simple check of the facts shows the bottom line holders have between 12 - 14 days off and about 74 hours of credit.

When emotion loses to the facts the juicer then invents a grand conspiracy and starts to call names. Ie becomes even more emotional.

Just be cautious that is all nothing more or less.

Splert, stop spreading lies. "Juicer 1" doesn't even work at Jetblue, and his statements were in regards to VX. I even clarified that to you, yet you continue with it unacknowledged.

 

[hoover84]

No retirements and minimal growth. Probably makes sense for the junior guys.

No growth?
jetBlue aircraft.......
2004 69
2005 92
2006 119
2007 134
2008 142
2009 151
2010 160
2011 169
2012 180
2013 9 sched. for delivery
2014 11
2015 17

 

[Smarta$$]

"One month on Reserve and then 18 days off" was this distortion.

A320 JFK is between 12-14.

Them the facts now go away and start crying or call me names or accuse me of something that you just invented. Get emotional.

Juicer 1 is refers to juicers in general not you specifically. Got it!

1. Your "facts" leave out more than half of the new hires by limiting it to JFK 320.

2. That wasn't my quote in the first place.

Got it!

 

[B6Busdriver]

No growth?
jetBlue aircraft.......
2004 69
2005 92
2006 119
2007 134
2008 142
2009 151
2010 160
2011 169
2012 180
2013 9 sched. for delivery
2014 11
2015 17

No way JetBlue gets 17 airplanes in 2015 unless many are given back as leases expire. You can count on that. JetBlue has a long history of selling airplanes. I believe 4 are expected to be returned in 2013. Some, none, or all may be returned. I want to see scheduled lease returns and net deliveries. Pilot Retirements or lack there of are a real issue for a new hire or anyone below seniority number 1000.

 

[Smarta$$]

You're a no voter, we get it. The problems you talk of have been fixed through the collective bargaining process at other carriers.. Ask yourself, DL, HA, and UAL now have better pay rates and benefits. Alaska is in contract negotiations and already have better benefits. What do all these carriers have in common? How did they improve their pay and benefits?

So you can't read then?

 

[B6Busdriver]

So you can't read then?

I can, and I can between the lines. Let me guess, you will vote for a in house right but not ALPA?

 

[Smarta$$]

No growth?
jetBlue aircraft.......
2004 69
2005 92
2006 119
2007 134
2008 142
2009 151
2010 160
2011 169
2012 180
2013 9 sched. for delivery
2014 11
2015 17

Actually 2013 will likely be 13-14 aircraft. Net growth.

 

[Smarta$$]

No way JetBlue gets 17 airplanes in 2015 unless many are given back as leases expire. You can count on that. JetBlue has a long history of selling airplanes. I believe 4 are expected to be returned in 2013. Some, none, or all may be returned. I want to see scheduled lease returns and net deliveries. Pilot Retirements or lack there of are a real issue for a new hire or anyone below seniority number 1000.

Since you brought up JB's "long history", look at our "history" of fleet growth last year, the year before, the year before..... Those numbers are net growth. You are lieing, again. We have sold and returned some, but it has almost always resulted in significant net fleet growth, as history proves.

You're an alarmist, with an agenda. You do NOT care about the career choices of others as much as you pretend. You are NOT trying to save others from a questionable career decision. You don't care that much about what some regional jet jockey does with his life. This is a starve JB of new applicants/hires strategy and an attemp to embarrass JB pilots into voting what you want.

The VAST majoriity of guys I fly with are very happy here. That doesn't mean they don't want improvements and many are willing to vote union, but they are happy still.

You are full of &&&&.

 

[Smarta$$]

I can, and I can between the lines. Let me guess, you will vote for a in house right but not ALPA?

I personally would vote for either. I think ALPA would be a better resource at this stage of our company and would spin up faster and smoother.

My one requirement is that we keep the silo system of representation because I have been sold down the river by senior folks too many times to count.

 

[B6Busdriver]

I personally would vote for either. I think ALPA would be a better resource at this stage of our company and would spin up faster and smoother.

My one requirement is that we keep the silo system of representation because I have been sold down the river by senior folks too many times to count.

Okay good. Glad to have you on board. I think the silo system is a no brainer but details like that will be determined after they on the property. I think modeling our union after FedEx is the way to go.

 

[n757st]

No way JetBlue gets 17 airplanes in 2015 unless many are given back as leases expire. You can count on that. JetBlue has a long history of selling airplanes. I believe 4 are expected to be returned in 2013. Some, none, or all may be returned. I want to see scheduled lease returns and net deliveries. Pilot Retirements or lack there of are a real issue for a new hire or anyone below seniority number 1000.

Beach, we see eye to eye on a lot but we are growing. Also, there was a big market for used Airbuses in the late 2000's, and now with the announcement of the NEO we couldn't give away airplanes like Christine if we wanted to. As for 17 planes in 2015, I thought we were deferring some e190 deliveries that year, so I do think thats high. I expect 10-12 frames a year indefinitely, not mind blowing but not a snails pace either.

 

[ASA_Aviator]

I can, and I can between the lines. Let me guess, you will vote for a in house right but not ALPA?

Nothing wrong with that position. It's as valid as your position.

 

[Splert]

Splert, stop spreading lies. "Juicer 1" doesn't even work at Jetblue, and his statements were in regards to VX. I even clarified that to you, yet you continue with it unacknowledged.

Fuchtard.

What is this?

Got it! Lots of arrows flying around did not realize that one was shot from the bleachers. I agree with your last sentence. Living in base is a lot different than commuting to JFK and sitting reserve with the hope of moving onto another gig in the future. Hope it works out for everyone in this wacky industry.