Why some jetBlue pilots post such extreme negativity.

[n757st]

After spending the day in the ER with my sick son it became clear he was going to be okay. My first thought after that? "Thank God I don't have to depend on jetBlue insurance."

That sums it all up for me.

At least the previous job didn't try to shove some bull******************** five values down my throat.

Getting married in August, debating whether I opt out of jetblue health insurance on my wedding night or the morning after....

 

[jonjuan]

I hate to blow your cover to the world, but you 10 or so extremists are exaggerating the problems we have and making things sound far worse than they are as a strategy to starve jetBlue of new hire\applicants (not working) and embarrass current jetBlue pilots into voting a union (which is coincidentally the main prescription you all cite to fix what ails us).

You all want a union, I get it. I have always leaned that way, but if things were even CLOSE to as bad as you pretend they are, YOU would quit, I would QUIT, the union votes of past would have passed easily.

But alas, you haven't quit.

We have things to address, especially healthcare. But you are engaged in a strategy of starving the beast and embarrassing pilots into voting the way you want. It is too dishonest and too extreme.

You pretend like every problem will be fixed with a union. You pretend like all these union airlines have had a great run, and that they are happy.

I have met THOUSANDS of miserable legacy pilots over the years, all union. They have significant problems, just different ones. I recognize that for all the problems they have had, they have maintained better benefits, but often NOT better pay. Sometimes yes, often NO.

At the end of the day, I will likely vote for a union. But at least I won't be diluding myself and others that we won't still have problems, lose some of the jetBlue that WE enjoy, likely create some new problems we didn't anticipate, but we will probably have better benefits...

But you will still be miserable, that much I guarantee.

To those reading these forums and trying to decide about jetBlue. Read every opinion. They all have something to contribute. I love my job at jetBlue and see a good future here. A union vote will eventually pass here, but if it doesn't, it will be because things are still good enough, despite having terrible healthcare coverage and some other holes in our benefits.

But understand that there are about 10 guys on here that are engaging in a strategy to make it seem FAR worse than it really is, in a concerted effort to starve the company of new applicants, new hires, and to embarrass current JB pilots into voting union. They want a union no matter what, and will tell you that a union here will be perfect, will fix everything that ails us, will create no new problems for us, and that everything at other union majors is so perfect, and they are all so happy with their careers.

If it's only 10 pro-union extremists here on FI, then why do you care? There are that many at every company.
If prospective new-hires are not smart enough to talk extensively with current B6 pilots about the real experience before taking a job (versus getting all of their info on FI), then let them figure it out.

 

[B6Busdriver]

I hate to blow your cover to the world, but you 10 or so extremists are exaggerating the problems we have and making things sound far worse than they are as a strategy to starve jetBlue of new hire\applicants (not working) and embarrass current jetBlue pilots into voting a union (which is coincidentally the main prescription you all cite to fix what ails us).

You all want a union, I get it. I have always leaned that way, but if things were even CLOSE to as bad as you pretend they are, YOU would quit, I would QUIT, the union votes of past would have passed easily.

But alas, you haven't quit.

We have things to address, especially healthcare. But you are engaged in a strategy of starving the beast and embarrassing pilots into voting the way you want. It is too dishonest and too extreme.

You pretend like every problem will be fixed with a union. You pretend like all these union airlines have had a great run, and that they are happy.

I have met THOUSANDS of miserable legacy pilots over the years, all union. They have significant problems, just different ones. I recognize that for all the problems they have had, they have maintained better benefits, but often NOT better pay. Sometimes yes, often NO.

At the end of the day, I will likely vote for a union. But at least I won't be diluding myself and others that we won't still have problems, lose some of the jetBlue that WE enjoy, likely create some new problems we didn't anticipate, but we will probably have better benefits...

But you will still be miserable, that much I guarantee.

To those reading these forums and trying to decide about jetBlue. Read every opinion. They all have something to contribute. I love my job at jetBlue and see a good future here. A union vote will eventually pass here, but if it doesn't, it will be because things are still good enough, despite having terrible healthcare coverage and some other holes in our benefits.

But understand that there are about 10 guys on here that are engaging in a strategy to make it seem FAR worse than it really is, in a concerted effort to starve the company of new applicants, new hires, and to embarrass current JB pilots into voting union. They want a union no matter what, and will tell you that a union here will be perfect, will fix everything that ails us, will create no new problems for us, and that everything at other union majors is so perfect, and they are all so happy with their careers.

You're a no voter, we get it. The problems you talk of have been fixed through the collective bargaining process at other carriers.. Ask yourself, DL, HA, and UAL now have better pay rates and benefits. Alaska is in contract negotiations and already have better benefits. What do all these carriers have in common? How did they improve their pay and benefits?

 

[StarChecker]

The grass is always greener...........

Indeed....

that 325% increase in my health insurance deductible is quite colorful....

But 1193 dopes love it.

 

[ASA_Aviator]

I believe the threat of the union is more effective than the union itself. I do an in-house union. If ALPA is voted in, I believe things will get worse, not better... but hey, what do I know?

 

[B6Busdriver]

I believe the threat of the union is more effective than the union itself. I do an in-house union. If ALPA is voted in, I believe things will get worse, not better... but hey, what do I know?

Really? Let's see, we have had a union vote twice. The first time they responded with a pay raise that didn't do much for the majority of the pilots. After the second vote they just jacked our health insurance rates through the roof. Now they know a third drive is under way and the company has responded by firing pilots that are former OC members. Yep, threatening a union is working swimmingly wouldn't you say?

 

[Splert]

I believe the threat of the union is more effective than the union itself.

"Chicken Boy" Part 2.

 

[B6Busdriver]

I believe the threat of the union is more effective than the union itself. I do an in-house union. If ALPA is voted in, I believe things will get worse, not better... but hey, what do I know?

Last I checked DL just got a raise and improved benefits. Look like UA did too. Hawaiian has better pay rates and benefits then JetBlue. Alaska has similar pay but much better benefits then JetBlue. How did these pilot groups achieve this? What common source do they use to negotiate? We get it, you hate ALPA but try to take emotion out of equation.

PS

Just awarded a 85hr line for Feb, looks like an Alaska pilot would make $700 more. Also Alaska pilots enjoy a 13.5% B fund PLUS profit sharing. Over the last few years that has equated to 21% retirement contribution. Alaska pilots contact is amendable April 2013. You do understand the difference between a B fund and a 401K right?

 

[Splert]

Last I checked DL just got a raise and improved benefits. Look like UA did too. Hawaiian has better pay rates and benefits then JetBlue. Alaska has similar pay but much better benefits then JetBlue. How did these pilot groups achieve this? What common source do they use to negotiate? We get it, you hate ALPA but try to take emotion out of equation.

No they don't. That is not true. You are lying. Jetblue pilots after 3 union threats have to have better conditions of service than Mesa, I mean ALA and HAL.

Jetblue must because the threat of the union is more effective than a union.

We have threatened 3 times and maybe a forth threat in the coming months. After 3 or 4 threats our conditions of service have to be better because ALA has only had one union and we have had 3 threats maybe 4.

We started collecting cards for an in house and our CEO told the pilot group that JBPA kicked him in the teeth. In other words we assaulted him and therefore he can fight back now!

 

[B6Busdriver]

No they don't. That is not true. You are lying. Jetblue pilots after 3 union threats have to have better conditions of service than Mesa, I mean ALA and HAL.

Jetblue must because the threat of the union is more effective than a union.

We have threatened 3 times and maybe a forth threat in the coming months. After 3 or 4 threats our conditions of service have to be better because ALA has only had one union and we have had 3 threats maybe 4.

We started collecting cards for an in house and our CEO told the pilot group that JBPA kicked him in the teeth. In other words we assaulted him and therefore he can fight back now!

I swore we had to have better pay and benefits. After all that's what Dave and the Bobs told us. Turns out....we don't! Shocking isn't it!

 

[boomlrd]

I hate to say it, because I consider Spirits contract to be sub par, but yet we have apps from JB guys? Is it that bad there?

 

[B6Busdriver]

I hate to say it, because I consider Spirits contract to be sub par, but yet we have apps from JB guys? Is it that bad there?

No retirements and minimal growth. Probably makes sense for the junior guys.

 

[Flyer1015]

Juicer 1 says life is great and you could be off reserve in a month and then you will hold 18 days off.

a simple check of the facts shows the bottom line holders have between 12 - 14 days off and about 74 hours of credit.

When emotion loses to the facts the juicer then invents a grand conspiracy and starts to call names. Ie becomes even more emotional.

Just be cautious that is all nothing more or less.

Splert, stop spreading lies. "Juicer 1" doesn't even work at Jetblue, and his statements were in regards to VX. I even clarified that to you, yet you continue with it unacknowledged.

 

[hoover84]

No retirements and minimal growth. Probably makes sense for the junior guys.

No growth?
jetBlue aircraft.......
2004 69
2005 92
2006 119
2007 134
2008 142
2009 151
2010 160
2011 169
2012 180
2013 9 sched. for delivery
2014 11
2015 17

 

[Smarta$$]

"One month on Reserve and then 18 days off" was this distortion.

A320 JFK is between 12-14.

Them the facts now go away and start crying or call me names or accuse me of something that you just invented. Get emotional.

Juicer 1 is refers to juicers in general not you specifically. Got it!

1. Your "facts" leave out more than half of the new hires by limiting it to JFK 320.

2. That wasn't my quote in the first place.

Got it!