Why some jetBlue pilots post such extreme negativity.

[pilotpayne]

That is exactly correct. Since a guy used to fly at a regional he has done nothing to educate himself about Frank Lorenzo or Jetblue's CEO's history. Regional pilots definitely never study financlials or average market value pay at major airlines. Benefits do not matter at all to regional pilots as we only care about flying pretty airplanes. A guy who has spent 7-10 years at a regional, has a kid or 2 and is in his 30's never studies the industry at all. This is why I came to JB. I only had 5000 hours of Embrear time so I came to JB to get some more of it.

This is the dumbest thing I have read in a while. Let me help you out a bit here. Regional pilots are exactly who you want at JB. Regional pilots don't have a hard on for flying jets anymore, because they already have 7000 hours flying Embraer products. Regional pilots have been beaten down by management teams for year after year so guess who will vote to get away from more management beatings. Guess who has 30 years left in this career, therefore needing as many benefits as they can possibly get. Guess who depends soley on there benefits and not the military's retirement or any recall rights to anywhere.

So you don't want regional pilots filling your ranks. You don't want cape air guys. I have seen that you hate the military guys because they have there military bennies and don't need JetBlue's. Who exactly do you want to apply and work for JB.

Also just a little FYI. Cape air just voted in a union. Every regional except one is unionized. Many of these RJ guys that you hate so much have served on there MEC's and other Union based commitees. So before you start generalizing something you know nothing about, maybe you should do a little research and studying yourself. Just some food for thought.

yuuuuuuuup

 

[B6Busdriver]

I'm not sure how Jblue works, but at XJT, which is just a lowly regional does not fire pilots who show up drunk or high on crack, yes they have to go through a program, but they do not lose their jobs

JetBlue is the least forgiving airline in regards to substance abuse. I know that many will say good or too bad and show little or no compassion. Most carriers allow up to the cabin door closing or the reading of the before start checklist before a pilot will be terminated for being intoxicated. JetBlue has a great HIMMS team and the company has done the right thing by sending a number of pilots through some type of rehab. The standard is not the same through the industry though in regards to a pilot throwing the flag so to speak.

 

[B6Busdriver]

Struck a nerve, did I?

Just keep making $hit up, scooter. Every time you post you look dumber. You know NOTHING about what I've done in my career, because you can't be bothered to read. You just assume everything and prove your stupidity further with every post. Then you try to add insults because I call you out on your stupid bull$hit, make you look like an idiot, and bruise your widdle ego.

I am VERY amused right now. I wish you could see the look on my face. Keep it coming.

No nerve struck. I'm done with this nonsense, a fellow pilot is out of a job and the process has failed. Go ahead have the last word.....

 

[clickclickboom]

Hey B6 thats your FO right there.. Is that not the scariest thought ever

 

[banger]

Hey B6 thats your FO right there.. Is that not the scariest thought ever

Yes it is. Have flown with a couple here at the Blue.

 

[n757st]

Yes it is. Have flown with a couple here at the Blue.

The bad eggs are not exclusive to those in the right seat...

 

[rjpilot7667]

The bad eggs are not exclusive to those in the right seat...

Its amazing to me that the captains (not all but seems like most on this board) at JetBlue seem to really take no responsiblilty for what this company has become. They seem to use no introspection, remember, you guys are the ones that did this not your junior FO. You had 12 years to get it right and didn't, yet shirk the blame onto guys that just got hired. Almost every captain I fly with is a blue gloving juicer so do not look right, look down at your own shriveled scrotum.

Try and be a little more productive. If you have a problem with what I'm saying subconsciously you know I'm correct.

 

[CapnVegetto]

Its amazing to me that the captains (not all but seems like most on this board) at JetBlue seem to really take no responsiblilty for what this company has become. They seem to use no introspection, remember, you guys are the ones that did this not your junior FO. You had 12 years to get it right and didn't, yet shirk the blame onto guys that just got hired. Almost every captain I fly with is a blue gloving juicer so do not look right, look down at your own shriveled scrotum.

Try and be a little more productive. If you have a problem with what I'm saying subconsciously you know I'm correct.

That's the biggest thing I see. They are all content to blame others and scream on message boards about how miserable they are accepting zero personal responsibility.

I'm all for ALPA at JetBlue. They can't seem to grasp that. I just don't want any of them running it. I'm willing to bet most would sell out the junior pilots in a second to benefit themselves, just like every other MEC full of senior captains out there.

Airline pilots eat their young. Always have, always will.

 

[B6Busdriver]

JBPA organizer here. Also donated to JBPA. ALPA OC member too. You guys are the ones that have made this a captain vs FO thing. There is plenty of guilt to go around. I've done my part, have you?

 

[pilotyip]

I'm all for ALPA at JetBlue. They can't seem to grasp that. I just don't want any of them running it. I'm willing to bet most would sell out the junior pilots in a second to benefit themselves, just like every other MEC full of senior captains out there.

Airline pilots eat their young. Always have, always will.

nice touch of union reality

 

[clickclickboom]

There was overwhelming support for the seniority block representation that we have now. I am not senior here by any means currently at 50% company wide. I support that system and think it could work well in the future.

We have our share of blue gloving juicers here but they are a dying breed as our benefits and qol slowly erodes away. During the last union campaign the strongest no vote/apathetic/undecided on the fence came from mid level to junior fo group here.

We were about 200 votes short of representation here and the twa lawsuit news certainly didnt help as i feel the vote would have passed if that didnt hit the news 3 days before our voting window closed.

I share blame with every pilot here but the apathy induced mentality/ inexperience/ only been halfway around the block no voter is what just cost many pilots here thousands in increased healthcare costs. Every year we wait is another year we lose and or lose more..

 

[rjpilot7667]

JBPA organizer here. Also donated to JBPA. ALPA OC member too. You guys are the ones that have made this a captain vs FO thing. There is plenty of guilt to go around. I've done my part, have you?

Yea, thanks for all of your help. How'd it go? No one is making this a CA vs FO thing; the captains "should be" the leaders of this group. You guys are always biotching about CA Authority so TAKE IT!

Not trying to call you out; just responding to the vitriol I see on here. I hope you weren't one of the guys calling our pilots idiots or retarded because they won't vote yes. Or because they have their head in the sand because the don't see things your way. It's their choice, and doesn't inspire a change of opinion to be bullied by people who couldn't get the job done over a 12 year span. Do not blame junior pilots for a situation you senior guys were instrumental in creating; not us.

Just like anything else, you get more bees with honey. Be nice and you will get the votes. Beat people over the head with your opinion and you already know what happens.

I voted YES, not because of anyone's BS or rhetoric, but because it is the right thing for ALL of us.

 

[B6Busdriver]

Yea, thanks for all of your help. How'd it go? No one is making this a CA vs FO thing; the captains "should be" the leaders of this group. You guys are always biotching about CA Authority so TAKE IT!

Not trying to call you out; just responding to the vitriol I see on here. I hope you weren't one of the guys calling our pilots idiots or retarded because they won't vote yes. Or because they have their head in the sand because the don't see things your way. It's their choice, and doesn't inspire a change of opinion to be bullied by people who couldn't get the job done over a 12 year span. Do not blame junior pilots for a situation you senior guys were instrumental in creating; not us.

Just like anything else, you get more bees with honey. Be nice and you will get the votes. Beat people over the head with your opinion and you already know what happens.

I voted YES, not because of anyone's BS or rhetoric, but because it is the right thing for ALL of us.

Obviously it didn't go we'll. While I've allowed some on this board to lose my cool and i apologize for that. i vigorously stand behind my support for my fellow pilot. I'm willing to be wrong in my support of these recently terminated pilots but I am for my fellow pilot first and foremost. I participated throughout the campaign and still do when asked my opinion by fellow pilots. Obviously you can't ramrod this down anyones throat. This is an anonymous message board, a place to vent. I don't think there are many on this board that wouldn't think twice before hitting enter if their name was attached, myself included. If you vote no or yes based on an anonymous message board then you are IMHO making a BIG mistake.

You keep talking about Captain vs FO and junior vs senior. As I SAID there is plenty of blame to go around. No where did i ever blame junior,senior,Captain, or FO. I'm quite familiar with the demographics of yes and no voters and you might be surprised if you saw that data. If YOU want a union what are YOU doing about it. We need new blood, I'm yesterday's news, everyone knows where I stand. If another campaign gets into full swing then I would participate again.

For you to hang the fate of this pilot group's willingness to vote in representation solely on Captains is ridiculous. During the last campaign many of the best guys on the OC were first officers, guys that i hold in the highest esteem. We are all JetBlue pilots and it really doesn't matter what seat you sit as help is needed from everyone. The best methods is pilot to pilot one at a time. I hope we can vote again soon!

 

[B6Busdriver]

That's the biggest thing I see. They are all content to blame others and scream on message boards about how miserable they are accepting zero personal responsibility.

I'm all for ALPA at JetBlue. They can't seem to grasp that. I just don't want any of them running it. I'm willing to bet most would sell out the junior pilots in a second to benefit themselves, just like every other MEC full of senior captains out there.

Airline pilots eat their young. Always have, always will.

Look at the FedEx model. It's the only way to go; block seniority reps, membership ratification for contract changes, expense account accountability, etc. The old tradional model of captain/fo reps by base tends to favor the senior waaaaaay too much.

 

[pilotpayne]

Look at the FedEx model. It's the only way to go; block seniority reps, membership ratification for contract changes, expense account accountability, etc. The old tradional model of captain/fo reps by base tends to favor the senior waaaaaay too much.

yuuuup

 

[Blue Dude]

nice touch of union reality

Nice drive-by, if largely misguided. The eat-your-young mentality not an unavoidable problem with unions, or even confined to unions. It's a structural problem caused by the typical CA/FO base model, or other similar models whereby representatives or spokespeople tend to be senior. Seniority block representation goes a long way to solve this issue, since junior and mid-level pilots have exactly the same weight as senior pilots and are mandated to participate.

 

[n757st]

Look at the FedEx model. It's the only way to go; block seniority reps, membership ratification for contract changes, expense account accountability, etc. The old tradional model of captain/fo reps by base tends to favor the senior waaaaaay too much.

Agreed, good call.

 

[FurloughedAgain]

Not to resurrect a dead thread but the seniority block representation seems impressive to me.

At USAir (99-02) the junior pilots were so poorly represented that they formed their own group (Unified Front) started their own website, and flooded MEC meetings until they got the attention of the FO reps (many of whom were downgraded captains who didn't want to lose the flight pay loss)

I obviously can't speak for what life is like at jB but if representation could be structured by seniority block rather than simply domicile and seat I would have jumped on it. It makes a lot more sense.

(Admittedly I've been out of 121 and a union for a decade so my memory is fuzzy)

 

[linepilot]

Jetblue lies

 

[Smarta$$]

Jetblue lies

Corporate management in America lies? What a F#$%^ revelation.