Why do ASA pilots want PBS?

[crj567]

Hey CRJ

Weren't you sure that ASA could not buy anybody?

Well- Considering that ASA is not an independent company, I would say it did not buy anything. Try going out and buying a share of ASA stock. How about trying to find out where the ASA board of directors meeting is held. Maybe you can come up with a 10K statement or an annual report which has ASA on it.

-If you still think that ASA really bought anything, I cannot help you.

 

[JettBoii]

PBS; ho hum. Same crappy overnights on the 200. You just decide when you want to stay there.

 

[maxcackel]

With the old bidding system that's about to be trashed we could bid conflicting trips to be dropped, if that dropped you below 75 hrs it was easy to pick up a nap or day line to bring you back. As a person on vacation you got priority on open time to do that over senior people not on vacation at the beginning of the month. So it was easy to get 18-20 days off and get paid 75hrs. My best month was 22 days. Now with pbs maybe the top 20% might get 15 days but most will get just a few over 7. I tried to tell people that minus the pay raise you get if you divided your days worked this year by the pay compared to the days worked next year by the pay with pbs(agian minus raise) you will get paid much less per day at work with pbs. Between the lost vacation days and other conflicting days it will cost you time at home for the same or less pay. But in a way the company has done this to me this year over last year with the poorly constructed trips and lines with less days off, I have worked many more days this year than last and by July 31st have made less than last year WITH my raise!

 

[SPDBRD747400]

Never wanted it...I voted NO! Wish many others had also, I still feel the number were rigged.

 

[ASA Captain]

Let's see. Set vacation low 70-75 hours required to meet the window. Check virtual credit to 4 X 7 = 28. 75-28=47. Need 47 to make line. Two 4-days at 20 hours is 40. Pick up one more day-line to ELP or an overnight to get the last seven hours. Working 9-10 days and paid 75. Not bad.

The reason you are working more now is because we have more flying now as compared to last year.

 

[maxcackel]

"We are going to get PBS anyway, might as well vote it in now". The dumbest statement made the entire time I've been at ASA. ONLY if we vote it in people. Just because the company want's it does not make it so. What if the company said HUGE PAY CUTS or else would you just fold in contract negotiations, NO. The union scarred the pilots into thinking they would have to agree to it in negotiations or never get a contract. Wrong but you will never know now.

 

[maxcackel]

Let's see. Set vacation low 70-75 hours required to meet the window. Check virtual credit to 4 X 7 = 28. 75-28=47. Need 47 to make line. Two 4-days at 20 hours is 40. Pick up one more day-line to ELP or an overnight to get the last seven hours. Working 9-10 days and paid 75. Not bad.

The reason you are working more now is because we have more flying now as compared to last year.

But I've made less than last year due to those months of every line at 75 avg and crap trip construction.

 

[crj567]

Let's see. Set vacation low 70-75 hours required to meet the window. Check virtual credit to 4 X 7 = 28. 75-28=47. Need 47 to make line. Two 4-days at 20 hours is 40. Pick up one more day-line to ELP or an overnight to get the last seven hours. Working 9-10 days and paid 75. Not bad.

The reason you are working more now is because we have more flying now as compared to last year.

Your math assumes trips blocked to reasonable time. If you are flying a couple of 14 hr 4 days or 11 hour three days, it takes a lot more work to get to 47 hours. Of course the road show certainly tip-toed around any possibly downside, so I can understand the confusion.

 

[maxcackel]

Your math assumes trips blocked to reasonable time. If you are flying a couple of 14 hr 4 days or 11 hour three days, it takes a lot more work to get to 47 hours. Of course the road show certainly tip-toed around any possibly downside, so I can understand the confusion.[/QUOTE
Exactly. And if pushed would say that PBS might park a trip right before or after you vacation but its still awesome because you get a several days then a trip in the middle then several more days off. PUKE, "well honey we could go on vacation then come home a couple days then go back!"

 

[ASA Captain]

I don't argue with your point on the trip construction. When we were "fat" and furloughed, the company spread the flying on certain categories to min guarantee max work. Union doesn't control that.

We have only been "short" for a couple months.

What was your block time last year up to Aug? What about this year? What was the difference in pay? I don't doubt what you say but some real number might help show the disparity.

What's important in this thread is people are in a panic about something that haven't even run a fake bid on yet. Relax a bit. Wait until after the first bid, talk to a rep, find out what u did wrong, fix it, bid again, and then come bitc$@!?$ about how you can't hold 3 days.