Who's Flying Your Airplane? NO OUTSOURCING

[Jonny Sacko]

Why is this on the majors board. This has been twisted to some regional self centered desire. It was started as a major airline (e.g. No "express" on the side) call to all Major pilots commencing contract negtiations.

Move it to regional board and start over.

 

[chqflyer]

Really mister CHQ guy...I guess you have it all figured out....

1. I don't have a "crappy lifestyle"...I have a great lifestyle....Not sure where you got that from.

2. What is a "real airline"? Was Eastern a "real airline"? Was TWA a "real airline"? Was Braniff a "real airline"?

3. Natural order? Who dictates that? There is no guarantee that mainline pilots won't be furloughed or replaced either....No difference...

4. Why are you a "migrant worker" mister CHQ guy?

Are you really that dense?

1. Mid forties and living in your moms basement is not a great lifestyle.

2. Yes those were real airlines. You have no way of knowing when some limp dick CEO is gonna cash in and put you on the street.

3. I know I can be replaced at any time. When Mesa exits B.K. With $10/hr Captains and $5/hr Fo's, dontcha think we're all in trouble?

4. Regionals open and close domiciles at the whim of the respective major. Kinda hard have a normal life when you are displaced to a new domicile every year or so.

 

[maru657]

single seniority list flying all aircraft for each carrier.

Yes it is a good theory but in practice it would require senior "main line" pilots to give up pay and work rules. That will not happen. Most pilots cannot think about others. All they are concerned with is what they are receiving or are going to receive. Oh plus regional pilots are sub-par anyway.

Fairly accurate, except I rode a swearingen into MEM once with one engine out and a lot of ice. I was very impressed with the skill and expertise of those reagional pilots. However, being a retired senior pilot, I agree with the greed part. Sometimes you have to make them an offer they can't refuse.

 

[strega7]

Cash and cash equivalents of Skywest $76,414,000.00
Hardly 1 billion.

Taken from 2009 skywest annual report.

At June 30, 2010, SkyWest had approximately $746.1 million in cash and marketable securities, compared to approximately $732.4 million as of December 31, 2009.

Taken from SkyWest SECOND QUARTER 2010 RESULTS Press release. Marketable securities are very liquid securities that can be converted into cash quickly at a reasonable price. Think of it as cash reported in a different column.

 

[nwaredtail]

Yes I PFT....That was the only way out of flight instructing in the early 90s...Had to get that seniority number y'know...

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Hmm, I started getting my private in 1991 and was hired by Northwest in 1996. Don't know why you had trouble getting out of flight instructing. I can name about 20 of my buddies that did the same thing and are all majors now. It was actually rare to have guys PFT back then with the shortage of regional pilots they had. Either there was something on your record to prevent getting hired or someone sold you a bill of goods that PFT was the way to go. BTW, I was offered a job at ASA and after they told me about the "cost", I opted to go elsewhere.

 

[jbDC9]

Hmm, I started getting my private in 1991 and was hired by Northwest in 1996.

That's called being very, very lucky. The early to mid-90's was a really bad time to be looking for a flying job. In my case, in 1991 I was a freight dog hauling checks with a coupla thousand hours; in 1993 when I got my first commuter 1900 gig I had almost 5,000 hrs. Hired at CO in 1997. It wasn't as easy-breezy as you make it sound.

But, regarding Joe, all I hear there is blah blah blah, me me me... yawn.

 

[nimtz]

That's called being very, very lucky. The early to mid-90's was a really bad time to be looking for a flying job. In my case, in 1991 I was a freight dog hauling checks with a coupla thousand hours; in 1993 when I got my first commuter 1900 gig I had almost 5,000 hrs. Hired at CO in 1997. It wasn't as easy-breezy as you make it sound.

But, regarding Joe, all I hear there is blah blah blah, me me me... yawn.

You forget Joe's favorite chorus; ME, ME, ME, ME....'what a pathetic loser i am'

 

[bluefin]

Our business model depends on major airlines, including Delta and United, electing to contract​

with us instead of operating their own regional jets. Some major airlines, including Delta, American
and Alaska Airlines, own their own regional airlines or operate their own regional jets instead of
entering into contracts with regional carriers. We have no guarantee that in the future our code-share
partners will choose to enter into contracts with us instead of operating their own regional jets. Our
partners are not prohibited from doing so under our code-share agreements. A decision by Delta or
United to phase out code-share relationships and instead acquire and operate their own regional jets
could have a material adverse effect on our financial condition, results of operations or the price of our​

common stock.


Again, taken from 2009 skywest annual report....

For regional guys, this would have me thinking twice about, "job security".

 

[DontFeedTheBear]

For regional guys, this would have me thinking twice about, "job security".

Job security is an issue through the whole regional list, and the bottom third of any major's list. That is the industry, you never know which way the the whipsaw turns... that is why we try to get to the top of a major's list, better job security. If you stay at a regional, you take your chances as a subcontractor, if you go to a major, your first bunch of years are at risk as well...

Yogi

 

[bluefin]

Just past my 10 yr mark, 7 yrs on the outside looking in!!! Can't find anything else.............

 

[Flopgut]

Just past my 10 yr mark, 7 yrs on the outside looking in!!! Can't find anything else.............

Hang in there. Scope will put you back to work and we'll know something in about 5 weeks. It's the top priority right now.

 

[Flopgut]

CAL Blastmail:

"138 Pilots On The Street Nov 29, 2010

350 pilots in Newark. 300 pilots in Houston. How many will be in Chicago on Wednesday at the United World Headquarters building as we take our message directly to management’s front door?
Our profession and our contract are under attack. Outsourced 70 seat jets, out of CAL hubs, flying CAL routes, with the CAL code are on CAL’s schedule right now for flights beginning in January.
This is not just an attack on our contract, but an effort by management to leverage a similar position at the bargaining table in the current JCBA negotiations. When asked what a United pilot thought about the scope relief that was taken in bankruptcy at United, he replied, “The lack of scope allowed outsourcing with 70 seat RJ’s which lead to the parking of the entire 737 fleet, causing the furlough of 1437 pilots. Any more questions?” That pretty much sums it up.
Our response to management on this issue must be clear, united, and resolved. Show up on Wednesday in Chicago, and be a part of sending our message to management: Outsourcing jobs to the lowest bidder stops here and now".

70 seat airplanes are only in the equation because the UAL pilots were desperately trying to save their A plan. Scope was looted by mgt in bk. That time has passed and it's time to re-instate scope to a 50 seat limit and get mainline pilots back to work.

 

[doh]

Flop, may I just add: and get regional pilots better jobs.:beer:

 

[Flopgut]

I'm not without sympathy for the regional pilots. But getting them an improved situation needs to be second to an improvement for mainline this time around.

doh: Earlier you used the word "plight" to describe Joe's endeavors. I think that was a poor choice of words. If his is a "plight", what word would you use to describe the reality for a longtime furlough from a mainline carrier? Regionals have only improved so much because things have gone so horribly for majors. Joe's battlecry is that the big egos at mainline carriers were too arrogant to fly small planes and that "it's [his] job now". That's not what is going on around the CAL 70 seat issue whatsoever. It wasn't arrogance and it's not something that has already passed. Hard work and sacrafice is what resulted in the CAL scope clause remaining strong. Mgt is blatanly trying to steal it and most of the regional pilots are cheering them on. I cannot believe that we have near zero support from regional pilots on the current issue who are supposedly union "brothers". But at the same time, mainline pilots must constantly be reminded to support regionals. Just like you just did to me.

 

[doh]

Flop, no such reminder intended. I was merely stating a much overlooked fact. To wit, mainline pilots negotiating flying back to mainline is a defacto benefit to regional pilots. If it was a reminder at all, it was a reminder to regional pilots. So whether you intend to support them or not, you are. Carry on in the effort.