What's the problem with GJ?!?!

[silver8]

Whether you fit under the definition of a SCAB is irrelevant. Once you are placed on the scab list, it does not really matter if you fit the definition or not. Some pilots take the list seriously, and I am not talking about jumpseating only. You don't think that some CP at 121 carriers keep a SCAB list? Guess what they do when they get applications from pilots on the SCAB list? And even if you slip by the CP and you get hired. Some check airmen keep a list as well, and guess what's gonna happen on your checkride? Your life is going to get much harder should one day your job at ************************* disappears.

 

[h25b]

Whether you fit under the definition of a SCAB is irrelevant. Once you are placed on the scab list, it does not really matter if you fit the definition or not. Some pilots take the list seriously, and I am not talking about jumpseating only. You don't think that some CP at 121 carriers keep a SCAB list? Guess what they do when they get applications from pilots on the SCAB list? And even if you slip by the CP and you get hired. Some check airmen keep a list as well, and guess what's gonna happen on your checkride? Your life is going to get much harder should one day your job at ************************* disappears.

The GJ pilots have not been, nor will they be placed on the ALPA Master Scab List...

 

[logolight]

The GJ pilots have not been, nor will they be placed on the ALPA Master Scab List...

ALPA does not publish scab lists because of the legal ramifications it carries. Scab lists are usually compiled and published by private individuals and distributed to whoever wants them. I've seen the Eastern and Freedom scab lists and there is a Go Jets scab list currently being compiled on the website that I mentioned in an earlier thread. It includes names and adresses of those currently on the Go Jets seniority list.

 

[h25b]

ALPA does not publish scab lists because of the legal ramifications it carries. Scab lists are usually compiled and published by private individuals and distributed to whoever wants them. I've seen the Eastern and Freedom scab lists and there is a GJs scab list currently being compiled on the website that I mentioned in an earlier thread. It includes names and adresses of those currently on the GJs seniority list.

I have no idea why, but something about how you guys like to blur the line by mis-defining a "Scab" really is aggravating. Last time I read the GJ List (for entertainment purposes) it even said on it that they WERE NOT scabs. You ARE either a scab or ARE NOT a scab. The GJ list is just a list... It's not a scab list. Of course there are those few (and I do mean FEW) pilots out there that will treat it as such. Furthermore, the GJ pilots HAVE NOT been added to the ALPA Master Scab List.

Please don't throw around terms you don't understand.

 

[theo]

Whether you fit under the definition of a SCAB is irrelevant. Once you are placed on the scab list, it does not really matter if you fit the definition or not. Some pilots take the list seriously, and I am not talking about jumpseating only. You don't think that some CP at 121 carriers keep a SCAB list? Guess what they do when they get applications from pilots on the SCAB list? And even if you slip by the CP and you get hired. Some check airmen keep a list as well, and guess what's gonna happen on your checkride? Your life is going to get much harder should one day your job at ************************* disappears.

What a bunch of hogwash...Just trying to use scare tactics to keep people from applying at Go-Jet, under the belief that will somehow work to keep them from filling classes. From everything I have heard that is not happening. Don't let this silliness stop you from applying at any airline including Go-Jet if you think you will qualify. Except for the same disguntled group of TSA pilots and the various assorted other ALPA lackeys on this board most people just don't give a SH...t about the whole issue. So apply where you want build time and move on it won't be a problem.

 

[BOOYA]

what other airlines fit into this scab category? any?

btw, I'm not calling gj a scab airline. don't know anthing about this, just trying to get some info.

 

[PCL_128]

ALPA does not publish scab lists because of the legal ramifications it carries.

This is not correct. ALPA has published SCAB lists in the past, and I'm sure will do the same in the future if it becomes necessary. The last time it was done was during the EAL strike in '89-'90. Several of the scumbag SCABs sued ALPA National for allowing the EAL MEC to publish the lists, and ALPA's right to publish these lists was upheld by the court.

That being said, the HoJets pseudo-scabs are not truly SCABs, so they won't be added to the master list. That isn't to say that lists aren't passed around, but they aren't on the SCAB list itself. The Freedumb pilots aren't on the master SCABlist either, but I and many other pilots carry a list of them and don't hesitate to check it whenever a Mesa pilot requests a jumpseat.

 

[logolight]

I have no idea why, but something about how you guys like to blur the line by mis-defining a "Scab" really is aggravating. Last time I read the GJ List (for entertainment purposes) it even said on it that they WERE NOT scabs. You ARE either a scab or ARE NOT a scab. The GJ list is just a list... It's not a scab list. Of course there are those few (and I do mean FEW) pilots out there that will treat it as such. Furthermore, the GJ pilots HAVE NOT been added to the ALPA Master Scab List.

Please don't throw around terms you don't understand.

I agree, they are not scabs as defined. But whether they're scabs or not, you're one of the only people on this message board who is defending them and I just don't know why that is.

 

[logolight]

This is not correct. ALPA has published SCAB lists in the past, and I'm sure will do the same in the future if it becomes necessary. The last time it was done was during the EAL strike in '89-'90. Several of the scumbag SCABs sued ALPA National for allowing the EAL MEC to publish the lists, and ALPA's right to publish these lists was upheld by the court.

That being said, the HoJets pseudo-scabs are not truly SCABs, so they won't be added to the master list. That isn't to say that lists aren't passed around, but they aren't on the SCAB list itself. The Freedumb pilots aren't on the master SCABlist either, but I and many other pilots carry a list of them and don't hesitate to check it whenever a Mesa pilot requests a jumpseat.

ALPA may have published a scab list at one time but it is my understanding that they will no longer publish them because of leagality issues. It's just what I heard. Check it out and let me know.

 

[logolight]

I think people are missunderstanding the issues involved with GJ's. GJ's is a deliberate and successful attempt to offer major carriers lower pay rates for express contracts. The main issue here is lower pay scales and poor work rules. As "alter ego" companies are allowed to grow, it increases the number of lower paid pilots and reduces the number of higher paid union pilots over time. This is the race to the bottom as we all know it. At the personal level, the issue is do you just want a job or are you willing to apply at higher paid airlines. That said, why is it O.K. for us to continue to drop our wages closer and closer to minimum wage? We've all worked hard for this opportunity so lets make sure we're compensated for it.

 

[Shrek]

Must be gettin tough over there at G j getting people to work for your POS airline. They are even getting the the so called pilots from there to try to pass the coolaid onto everybody else on this board.

You guys made a mistake and it will show in due time........

 

[h25b]

You guys made a mistake and it will show in due time........

It's gett'n tough everywhere fella. The biggest mistake we all made was getting in to aviation in the first place... Going to work at GJ is a minor mistake by comparison.

So if GJ closes down and they have to move on, so what ??? Like that's never happened before.

 

[smokey999]

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[Bankangle]

The whole d--- regional industry is embarrassing. The going on about TSA and GJ just highlights more of the immaturity and division of this segment of the industry.

I have seen it posted many times before on this subject. What goes around comes around. You get upset when GJ/TSA or who ever lose flying to a low cost alternative? Who do you think has been the low cost alternative for the vast amount of mainline flying that has dissappeared?

The regional industry is going to be if not already, the bulk of schedule flying employment. CAREER! No more just here until the mainline guys call me. As Sh-tty as i know it is at TSA and most other regionals you got bigger problems then trying to deter people from taking a job at GJ. THat agenda will not work.

 

[h25b]

Speak for yourself. If you feel it's such a big mistake.......Get out. Oh, and by the way, checking out flightinfo every day and posting thousands of times will make you a complete waste of space. Oops, already got that accomplished. (No offense to some of the diehards here that post relivent and non-biased information)

First of all it's "relevant" not "relivent" ... I'm not that big on spelling, but when trying to insult someone it's always better to at least seem more intelligent than the target of your anger... Second, (for at least the 3-4 time) I'm not trying to say that the GJ pilots are the best thing for the industry or situation. But the fact, and yes I know it's rare on the regionals' board, is that the GJ pilots are not scabs. Furthermore, I doubt those of them that are otherwise qualified will have a problem moving on to other airlines. Go ahead and read through the Master Scab List, it's got a ton of FedEx, UPS, Continental pilots on it. The GJ pilots aren't even on that list. You threatening them amounts to little more than a, "my daddy can beat up your daddy..."

You were eluding to the idea that my information is biased, for the record I don't work for TSA, GJ, or any other "regional" airline for that matter. Which I would think makes my opinions the most unbiased.

During my time here on this board I've helped about 4 complete strangers gain good paying, full-time positions and mailed out countless items free of charge to people that needed things that I no longer use (study materials, old headsets, pilot's manuals, etc)... I suppose you're probably the type that would try and sell an old Saab 340 manual you got for free rather than give it away. So I'll go on being a "waste of space" ... Coming from you I can't really take it too seriously I mean, really...

Here's the deal. I was charged with DUI. Went to court for the license hearing to fight the automatic license revocation. I won and they recinded the revocation, or overturned it, and refunded the fines I had to pay to get it back. I was offered a dry careless.(careless without any notation of alcohol) My DMV report just says "careless driving". I just had an interview at a regional. (I know this is the majors category, but I thought some of the people browsing here might have a good answer too.) Was asked over the phone, any alcohol driving offenses? I answered no. Asked any violations? I said I have a careless driving. On the application I checked that my drivers license has never been suspended or revoked. If by some reason the NDR screwed up and didn't remove the revocation, do you think this would come across as me lying? Also, even though the careless driving stemmed from a DUI, it is not an "alcohol offense". Do you think they would see it the same way. I was never asked about it in the interview, surprisingly.

I guess we all know why "relivent and non-biased information" is so important to you... My wife was nearly killed by drunk driver a few years ago. Just had yet another surgery last Christmas to remove one of the plates they used to put her arm back together.. Oh yeah, and we had to pay for the whole thing as well, because like a regional pilot he had no money and little insurance.. :angryfire

But I'm glad you got your license back and can be here to grace us all with your wealth of common sense and good judgement... With any luck you'll be successful at a regional airline interview and will be out terrorizing the skies, not just the roads. Evidently, an automobile isn't quite lethal enough for you... Gotta go now, my wife just woke up and it's time to go watch her dump that stuff in to her eye since the accident, oops, I mean attempted murder, severed her tear duct as well.

In case you're wondering, yes, you struck a nerve...