What's the problem with GJ?!?!

[tjsatter]

Furthermore TSH was created (possibly) for contingencies associated with the (then) upcoming contract talks. They did not need it and it languished doing nothing, no activity, no interest. In fact the incoporation of TSH was revoked for non-payment of the nominal fee ($30 +/-?) to the state of Mo. so the TSH entity ceased to exist for a couple years. Then when they discovered they might need it after all they payed up the back fees and re-activated it. While FF is technically correct on some hyper-minute legals points he leaves out relevant details. For all pratical puposes TSH was not a consideration until this year. If you are gonna throw out facts, throw out all facts and relevant context

Also there is no CBA at GJ. No C, No B, and No A now or anytime in the forseeable future. There are no contract talks with Teamsters, ALPA, The Ladies Garment workers or any ther collective bargaining unit now or any time forseeable. Pilots there are employed at the will of the company, a very tenous prospect in the best of times. Any day could be there last.

 

[h25b]

Pilots there are employed at the will of the company, a very tenous prospect in the best of times. Any day could be there last.

One way or the other, EVERYONE is ultimately employed at the will of their company... Just ask the NWA mechanics...

 

[fuelflow]

Year0-1 $56.001-2 $58.002-3 $60.00etc etc, $2.00 bump per yearThis is company proposed, as there has not been a TA yet for compensation.Hours of Service section has been TA'd with 11-12 days off, 4 day trip maximum. The union has allowed 5 day trips approved on a monthly basis if it meets certain criteria. November lines vary from 11-15 days off for line holders flying 5 aircraft.Until the CBA is approved, the company can do what it wants - we all know that. That's why 95% of the pilots have filled out authorization cards for representation.

 

[fuelflow]

I expect negotiations to begin again after the Single Carrier issue is resolved, either with the IBT or ALPA, depending on who wins. I am also not aware of any resignations in the union.And yes, we ARE voluntarily represented by the IBT until the NMB rules on SC.

 

[Terry Hunter]

Now I'm confused...
Does TSA (not talking GJ) do any flying for United, or is it all AA?
Thanks in advance.

Never mind - I found it on the TSA website. So, this GJ deal was done to circunaviagate the ASA language TSA has with American...

 

[SkyBoy1981]

Year0-1 $56.001-2 $58.002-3 $60.00etc etc, $2.00 bump per yearThis is company proposed, as there has not been a TA yet for compensation.Hours of Service section has been TA'd with 11-12 days off, 4 day trip maximum. The union has allowed 5 day trips approved on a monthly basis if it meets certain criteria. November lines vary from 11-15 days off for line holders flying 5 aircraft.Until the CBA is approved, the company can do what it wants - we all know that. That's why 95% of the pilots have filled out authorization cards for representation.

The real question is...are you getting paid only block time?

 

[incubus]

what's tsa's 145 pay rates? block or better?

 

[TSA Pilot]

Go ahead and fool yourself all you want.

But lets send Horizon, Skywest, Comair and G0Jet all out on the same routes through Chicago, IAD and Denver. For 80 hours of scheduled flying and see who has the bigger paycheck at the end of the month. g0jet will be at the bottom every single time. It doesnt matter what your hourly rate is, the deciding factor is you guys get paid CREDIT TIME. That means on the normal 3 hour delay into chicago (with holding) you still get paid 1:30 (for example from Tulsa or wherever) You will never make more than those guys... EVER.

The union has allowed 5 day trips approved on a monthly basis if it meets certain criteria.

This line cracks me up. Without a CURRENT signed contract, your union has not "allowed" anything. They can do whatever they want no matter what you say. Yeah you guys will be flying 5 day trips with 2 days off for a long time to come, dont think for one minute that Hulas will be rushing to change that, he will drag his feet in negotiations for years. It took us 2 years to negotiate our last contract.

Have fun....

 

[TSA145]

what's tsa's 145 pay rates? block or better?

For payrates visit www.airlinecentral.com and TSA does have block or better; GoSh1t only block.

 

[tjsatter]

your union has not "allowed" anything.

There is NO union at GJ. NONE. NOTHING. There is NObody negotiating anything between the GJ pilots and company. It is all at the whim of TSH. No union to allow/disallow anything. And they want Teamsters because IBT is a bunch of pusssies. If 95% of the pilots prefer a company sponsored and endorsed union they are even bigger cumbags and dumshites than alleged by the most vocal critic.

tj

 

[silver8]

Whether you fit under the definition of a SCAB is irrelevant. Once you are placed on the scab list, it does not really matter if you fit the definition or not. Some pilots take the list seriously, and I am not talking about jumpseating only. You don't think that some CP at 121 carriers keep a SCAB list? Guess what they do when they get applications from pilots on the SCAB list? And even if you slip by the CP and you get hired. Some check airmen keep a list as well, and guess what's gonna happen on your checkride? Your life is going to get much harder should one day your job at ************************* disappears.

 

[h25b]

Whether you fit under the definition of a SCAB is irrelevant. Once you are placed on the scab list, it does not really matter if you fit the definition or not. Some pilots take the list seriously, and I am not talking about jumpseating only. You don't think that some CP at 121 carriers keep a SCAB list? Guess what they do when they get applications from pilots on the SCAB list? And even if you slip by the CP and you get hired. Some check airmen keep a list as well, and guess what's gonna happen on your checkride? Your life is going to get much harder should one day your job at ************************* disappears.

The GJ pilots have not been, nor will they be placed on the ALPA Master Scab List...

 

[logolight]

The GJ pilots have not been, nor will they be placed on the ALPA Master Scab List...

ALPA does not publish scab lists because of the legal ramifications it carries. Scab lists are usually compiled and published by private individuals and distributed to whoever wants them. I've seen the Eastern and Freedom scab lists and there is a Go Jets scab list currently being compiled on the website that I mentioned in an earlier thread. It includes names and adresses of those currently on the Go Jets seniority list.

 

[h25b]

ALPA does not publish scab lists because of the legal ramifications it carries. Scab lists are usually compiled and published by private individuals and distributed to whoever wants them. I've seen the Eastern and Freedom scab lists and there is a GJs scab list currently being compiled on the website that I mentioned in an earlier thread. It includes names and adresses of those currently on the GJs seniority list.

I have no idea why, but something about how you guys like to blur the line by mis-defining a "Scab" really is aggravating. Last time I read the GJ List (for entertainment purposes) it even said on it that they WERE NOT scabs. You ARE either a scab or ARE NOT a scab. The GJ list is just a list... It's not a scab list. Of course there are those few (and I do mean FEW) pilots out there that will treat it as such. Furthermore, the GJ pilots HAVE NOT been added to the ALPA Master Scab List.

Please don't throw around terms you don't understand.

 

[theo]

Whether you fit under the definition of a SCAB is irrelevant. Once you are placed on the scab list, it does not really matter if you fit the definition or not. Some pilots take the list seriously, and I am not talking about jumpseating only. You don't think that some CP at 121 carriers keep a SCAB list? Guess what they do when they get applications from pilots on the SCAB list? And even if you slip by the CP and you get hired. Some check airmen keep a list as well, and guess what's gonna happen on your checkride? Your life is going to get much harder should one day your job at ************************* disappears.

What a bunch of hogwash...Just trying to use scare tactics to keep people from applying at Go-Jet, under the belief that will somehow work to keep them from filling classes. From everything I have heard that is not happening. Don't let this silliness stop you from applying at any airline including Go-Jet if you think you will qualify. Except for the same disguntled group of TSA pilots and the various assorted other ALPA lackeys on this board most people just don't give a SH...t about the whole issue. So apply where you want build time and move on it won't be a problem.

 

[BOOYA]

what other airlines fit into this scab category? any?

btw, I'm not calling gj a scab airline. don't know anthing about this, just trying to get some info.

 

[PCL_128]

ALPA does not publish scab lists because of the legal ramifications it carries.

This is not correct. ALPA has published SCAB lists in the past, and I'm sure will do the same in the future if it becomes necessary. The last time it was done was during the EAL strike in '89-'90. Several of the scumbag SCABs sued ALPA National for allowing the EAL MEC to publish the lists, and ALPA's right to publish these lists was upheld by the court.

That being said, the HoJets pseudo-scabs are not truly SCABs, so they won't be added to the master list. That isn't to say that lists aren't passed around, but they aren't on the SCAB list itself. The Freedumb pilots aren't on the master SCABlist either, but I and many other pilots carry a list of them and don't hesitate to check it whenever a Mesa pilot requests a jumpseat.

 

[logolight]

I have no idea why, but something about how you guys like to blur the line by mis-defining a "Scab" really is aggravating. Last time I read the GJ List (for entertainment purposes) it even said on it that they WERE NOT scabs. You ARE either a scab or ARE NOT a scab. The GJ list is just a list... It's not a scab list. Of course there are those few (and I do mean FEW) pilots out there that will treat it as such. Furthermore, the GJ pilots HAVE NOT been added to the ALPA Master Scab List.

Please don't throw around terms you don't understand.

I agree, they are not scabs as defined. But whether they're scabs or not, you're one of the only people on this message board who is defending them and I just don't know why that is.

 

[logolight]

This is not correct. ALPA has published SCAB lists in the past, and I'm sure will do the same in the future if it becomes necessary. The last time it was done was during the EAL strike in '89-'90. Several of the scumbag SCABs sued ALPA National for allowing the EAL MEC to publish the lists, and ALPA's right to publish these lists was upheld by the court.

That being said, the HoJets pseudo-scabs are not truly SCABs, so they won't be added to the master list. That isn't to say that lists aren't passed around, but they aren't on the SCAB list itself. The Freedumb pilots aren't on the master SCABlist either, but I and many other pilots carry a list of them and don't hesitate to check it whenever a Mesa pilot requests a jumpseat.

ALPA may have published a scab list at one time but it is my understanding that they will no longer publish them because of leagality issues. It's just what I heard. Check it out and let me know.

 

[logolight]

I think people are missunderstanding the issues involved with GJ's. GJ's is a deliberate and successful attempt to offer major carriers lower pay rates for express contracts. The main issue here is lower pay scales and poor work rules. As "alter ego" companies are allowed to grow, it increases the number of lower paid pilots and reduces the number of higher paid union pilots over time. This is the race to the bottom as we all know it. At the personal level, the issue is do you just want a job or are you willing to apply at higher paid airlines. That said, why is it O.K. for us to continue to drop our wages closer and closer to minimum wage? We've all worked hard for this opportunity so lets make sure we're compensated for it.