What is the status of the ALPA De-certification vote at US Airways?

[m80drvr]

It is. ALPA is in full delay mode and ironically it just solidifies the resolve even more.

Election is probably around middle of March with count by end of April.

Once again Turtle you display your complete ignorance toward the facts.

ALPA has no control over this. It is the NMB that is driving this. It is their timetable that we are working from. Oh yeah it was USAPA's screw up with the ballots that caused the last delay.

It's amazing how some east guys will blame EVERYONE else for their F&%kups EXCEPT THEMSELVES. I suppose ALPA caused the current recession, the crisis in Darfur and the Tsunami a few years back.

And people wonder why USAir will be left out of the current merger mainia and will likely go out of business. No one, managemant OR pilot group will deal with your superior than thou attitude. I for one don't blame them.

 

[Turtle21]

Once again Turtle you display your complete ignorance toward the facts.

ALPA has no control over this. It is the NMB that is driving this. It is their timetable that we are working from. Oh yeah it was USAPA's screw up with the ballots that caused the last delay.

It's amazing how some east guys will blame EVERYONE else for their F&%kups EXCEPT THEMSELVES. I suppose ALPA caused the current recession, the crisis in Darfur and the Tsunami a few years back.

And people wonder why USAir will be left out of the current merger mainia and will likely go out of business. No one, managemant OR pilot group will deal with your superior than thou attitude. I for one don't blame them.

Nice choice of ignoring the relevant "facts", junior.:laugh:

The relevant fact is the election will likely occur in March, right after the "World Hunger ALPA Live Aid Concert", the "ALPA March for Gerbils", and the "ALPA Walk for FPL Carnival".

 

[TWA Dude]

This card thing that recently concluded simply decides if a decertification/representational election will take place in the future?

Correct. If there are sufficient cards USAPA estimates the election in a month or so.

And the outcome of this is still unknown, but seems to be an eventuality (representational election).

My guess is there will be an election.

I think I am up to speed, but it is sad that this process is taking so long.

I disagree. There's nothing sad about the NMB being thorough to ensure there are no irregularities.

 

[Turtle21]

I disagree. There's nothing sad about the NMB being thorough to ensure there are no irregularities.

Certainly ALPA's several motions that might be viewed as attempts to delay or obstruct the process do actually provide the NMB with the opportunity to magnify the legitimacy of the election, should it occur.

It would also serve to magnify ALPA's illegitimacy if they used this time to force a joint contract by receivership rather than representational consensus in the midst of a representational dispute that will be settled in a relatively short period of time.

 

[steveg]

Certainly ALPA's several motions that might be viewed as attempts to delay or obstruct the process do actually provide the NMB with the opportunity to magnify the legitimacy of the election, should it occur.

It would also serve to magnify ALPA's illegitimacy if they used this time to force a joint contract by receivership rather than representational consensus in the midst of a representational dispute that will be settled in a relatively short period of time.

And what exactly is representational consensus and a representational dispute? One side does not want it and is simply using it's numbers to screw the other. How is that a dispute or consensus? I think it's important for everyone to remember that all the talk about ALPA this and ALPA that, representational this and representational that, past wrongs, who will represent this or that, all boils down to one thing:


The east pilots are once again trying to screw the AWA pilots. Plain and simple. This is just the latest guise they put on.

 

[vetrider]

Now, now Steve G, Woody says usapa is good for us, whether we know it yet or not. Thats swell of him, for sure. They're not trying to screw us, no, not at all.

 

[ferlo]

Besides the decision to work at US airways in the first place...a vote for USAPA will be the biggest career mistake the east guys have ever made. No contract, no structure, 40% won't pay dues...ever, endless litigation, endless assessments, no past practice to refer grievances, crappy pay, no work rules, and it goes on and on.

In house unions will only work if everybody is on the same page, The entire west coast will always do everything in it's power to undermine USAPA. They have the legal advantage no matter what those bitter old Doosh bags in PHL say. USAPA = DOOM....for everybody, no matter how old you are.

 

[vetrider]

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[TWA Dude]

Certainly ALPA's several motions that might be viewed as attempts to delay or obstruct the process do actually provide the NMB with the opportunity to magnify the legitimacy of the election, should it occur.

Oh my, delaying tactics against a competitor. How un-American!! If ALPA didn't fight in each and every way against USAPA you'd lose all respect for it completely.

It would also serve to magnify ALPA's illegitimacy if they used this time to force a joint contract by receivership rather than representational consensus in the midst of a representational dispute that will be settled in a relatively short period of time.

Huh? How can one force a contract? We still get to vote, dontcha know.

I want this vote to take place asap. I think it might be close but I'm thinking there are more than a handful of Easties who can be logical and unemotional about their futures.

 

[PCL_128]

TWA Dude, your numbers assume that all of the West pilots will vote. I don't think that's a safe assumption. Remember, if more than half of the total pilot group votes, then the representational unit with the most votes wins, even if they don't top the 50% of eligible pilots mark. You could have 51% voting, with only 26% of the total pilot group voting for uSAPAa, and they'd win.

 

[TWA Dude]

PCL 128: you're correct so I deleted my statement.

 

[m80drvr]

Nice choice of ignoring the relevant "facts", junior.:laugh:

The relevant fact is the election will likely occur in March, right after the "World Hunger ALPA Live Aid Concert", the "ALPA March for Gerbils", and the "ALPA Walk for FPL Carnival".

Damn Dude you are a TOOL!!!

My response contradicted you with facts, you reply with stupidity. But we are all accustomed to your lack of intelligence. Good luck with that USAPA thing. You wil enjoy the unemployment line again.

 

[Tweaker]

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I think I am up to speed, but it is sad that this process is taking so long.

I disagree. There's nothing sad about the NMB being thorough to ensure there are no irregularities.

I was referring to the merger in its entirity, not just this recent skirmish, TWA dude.

 

[TWA Dude]

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I think I am up to speed, but it is sad that this process is taking so long. I was referring to the merger in its entirity, not just this recent skirmish, TWA dude.

Not sure which aspect you're sad about. The seniority integration issue was completed last May. Had the East not withdrawn from joint negotiations we could conceivably had a contract by now, thus "completing" the merger. You're right, it is indeed sad.

 

[Turtle21]

Damn Dude you are a TOOL!!!...

It must have been my avatar!