USair

[Colonel Savage]

Just for fun...

AWA = Mesa Grande

No, Dude, Mesa Grande was a movie, 1960's, spaghetti western, gunfighters, etc...oh wait, it was Casa Grande...nevermind...have a nice day.

 

[Fly-n-hi]

Just for fun...

AWA = Mesa Grande

What's even funnier is that "Mesa Grande" bought US Airways. Ouch.

 

[get2flyin]

No, Dude, Mesa Grande was a movie, 1960's, spaghetti western, gunfighters, etc...oh wait, it was Casa Grande...nevermind...have a nice day.

Maybe it's suppose to be "AWA = Macho Grande".

I'll never be over Macho Grande.

 

[JetMonkey]

I'm not sure why AWA always gets compared to mesa. Yeah there's quite a few guys that came from there but there's also a huge amount that didn't. This is a very diverse group which comes from many different flying backgrounds, both civilian and military. And the west side of the operation actually runs quite well compared with the other hubs (despite the 9am push :nuts: ). I'll include CLT with that statement to be fair. As far as the AWA=scabs cry. Dude, that was eons ago, there's hardly any of those guys around here any more. Let it go already, AWA still goes down in history as one of the safest airlines that ever flew....22 years no accidents, no fatalities.

 

[Dr. Rumack]

Get2, you beat me to the punch. Now, let's go out and win one for the Zipper. I guess I picked the wrong decade to give up my old job.

 

[SaturnPilot]

DOH = integrity

Really? Is that according to Marty the USAir pilot, Marty the United pilot hired in 1993, or Marty the United pilot hired in 1994?

USAir was not going out of business. USAir was in better shape then your 1980's startup airline. I had America West Capt. in my new hire class in 1994 and he said that Americas Worst was going to shut down or merged.
Americas Worst is and was a joke. I am just glad you guys merged with AAA. My worst nightmare was when every one speculated United and Americas Worst were going to merge.

Americas Worst=Bottom feeder were the turn over rate was so big, you had classes every week to fill the attrition in the late 90's.

Marty

CAL is getting ready to merge with United. I think their might be furloughs or some stagnation. Where would a 1993 DOH put me at CAL.

Marty

I do not work for USair. Just wanted to point out that USair was not the only one in distress. I thought they were both toast.

Marty

http://forums.flightinfo.com/showthr...83#post1212983
http://forums.flightinfo.com/showthr...45#post1224345
http://forums.flightinfo.com/showthr...07#post1195007

 

[PCL_128]

That just never gets old.

 

[FLYLOW22]

OLD SCHOOL -- who is US Air?

Man you are old school aren't you? US Air died over 3 years ago. The new US Airways was created in May 2005 when America West and our Management Team...

Blah, blah, blah..

US Air "died" in the Wolf era back in 1997 with the advent of the tuxedo paint job and "400 narrowbody airbii" on order.

 

[McNasty]

At least you guys are not bitter

 

[737 Pylt]

Really? Is that according to Marty the USAir pilot, Marty the United pilot hired in 1993, or Marty the United pilot hired in 1994?

It would be the Marty who crossed the picket line at Eastern, only to get fired!

http://forums.flightinfo.com/showthr...83#post1212983
http://forums.flightinfo.com/showthr...45#post1224345
http://forums.flightinfo.com/showthr...07#post1195007

Links don't seem to work.

Saturn:
Nice find about MC Scab.......
BTW, his girlfriend Steven, (aka Bdfg1) who claims to be, ehem, retired also has some pretty good hits as well.....
Check them out by clicking on the link! Remember, he claims to have NEVER been a j4j captain and retired shortly after 9/11. Take a look at the dates on his posts! These two make such a great pair!

I was dead set on keeping ALPA on the property. That is until you began to chime in. Thanks for changing my mind and voting ALPA out. You deserve a medal.

Never said I take it for granted. As you pointed out I'm "training PSA pilots since I'm a J4J Capt." Looks like I'm taking advantage of it.

Who cares about these bids? All I know is I'll have a sweet line once I come over via J4J. Don't like it TUFF!

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737

 

[SaturnPilot]

Links don't seem to work.

Sorry, try these...
http://forums.flightinfo.com/showthread.php?p=1212983#post1212983
http://forums.flightinfo.com/showthread.php?p=1224345#post1224345
http://forums.flightinfo.com/showthread.php?p=1195007#post1195007

Saturn:
Nice find about MC Scab.......
BTW, his girlfriend Steven, (aka Bdfg1) who claims to be, ehem, retired also has some pretty good hits as well.....
Check them out by clicking on the link! Remember, he claims to have NEVER been a j4j captain and retired shortly after 9/11. Take a look at the dates on his posts! These two make such a great pair!

interesting...luckily DOH=integrity, otherwise this might seem a bit fishy!!!

 

[Fly-n-hi]

All mergers have been DOH with protections.

Maybe most US Air mergers were but historically that has not always been the case. There are several airlines that have not used DOH as a model of integration.

DOH = integrity

You probably think that if you're the one who benifits from it.

Integrity, according to the American Heritage Dictionary, is:

1. Steadfast adherence to a strict moral or ethical code.
2. The state of being unimpaired; soundness.
3. The quality or condition of being whole or undivided; completeness.

1. There is no moral or ethical code that says DOH=Integrity. There is a moral and ethical code that says binding arbitration is binding. If you agree to do something and then back out you demonstrate a complete lack of integrity. Remember: Do all that you have agreed to do.

2. The decisions made by the East pilots have been anything but unimpaired or sound. They've been irrational and emotional.

3. The East pilots have done everything they can to keep us from being whole, undivided, or complete.

The Nic lottery ticket is gone. Get over it.

It's gonna stick. Unfortunately we'll have to go through a few lawsuits and endure tough times before the East guys finally realize that. This is assuming the airline will survive at all.

Right now it seems like the East logic is "I'd rather see this airline fail and I'd rather be on the street than accept a relative integration".

 

[FLYLOW22]

At least you guys are not bitter

Why be bitter when you can get even?

 

[B-atch]

Seniority DONT mean $hit at the next job interview!! Rather than waste time on these boards, get your resumes ready boyzz!! The Asian carriers are hiring!! I believe this DONKEY is dead. Time to find another one...............

 

[eaglesview]

I'd rather see this airline fail and I'd rather be on the street than accept a relative integration[/COLOR]".

There are other ways to make a living. There is no motivation for East to accept the nic.

 

[Ocity]

There are other ways to make a living. There is no motivation for East to accept the nic.

Who Cares what the East thinks. Via the court system, there will be adequate motivation for the Company to implement the already accepted nic award.

Since the East shot themselves in the foot with USAPA, and removed any requirement for dual ratification, there is very little stopping the Nic. award . I'd say LOA 93 and an endless stream of furloughs is the future of US air until this Virus of an airline finally dies.

 

[SaturnPilot]

There are other ways to make a living. There is no motivation for East to accept the nic.

I wonder if any of them have stopped to think about the potential precedent they could set if they were actually successful. Could you imagine an airline industry where an arbitrated award means absolutely nothing? Management everywhere would be looking to USAPA's precedent. Would they be successful in overturning grievance arbitrations because management fired their old lawyer, or shifted their case to a holding company, etc? A successful outcome for USAPA in this case opens doors that none of us want to see opened.

 

[Fly-n-hi]

There are other ways to make a living. There is no motivation for East to accept the nic.

In reality there is no reason for them to not accept the Nic award. In the end it wont matter if they "accept" it or not...they're gonna get it.

Now that furloughs are on the horizon you'll see the list get implemented sooner than later. The company just can't afford to run two seperate airlines anymore. Things have to get done now.

These 40 and 50 something year old pilots on the east side are going to be in for a rude awakening if they think they can just start over in another profession and have what they have at US Airways. Yeah...I know things have gotten worse over the past several years...but this is still a way better profession than many professions out there.

 

[Colonel Savage]

Who Cares what the East thinks. Via the court system, there will be adequate motivation for the Company to implement the already accepted nic award.

Since the East shot themselves in the foot with USAPA, and removed any requirement for dual ratification, there is very little stopping the Nic. award . I'd say LOA 93 and an endless stream of furloughs is the future of US air until this Virus of an airline finally dies.

So when is all of this going to be decided or resolved? Does it go before another judge?

 

[eaglesview]

Actually upon further review I have decided that I actually am a fan of the nic award. The end result was this ridiculous excuse of a seniority list which was responsible for our MEC at UAL to refer to USAir as a “toxic stew.” There is no logical way to merge a third party. Being brought into a seniority list junior to some AW pilot is unacceptable as is going senior to USAir pilots that have been around longer than I. (it’s called morals) The nic makes it impossible to avoid the above situation so in the end I guess I am a fan of this "toxic stew."