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Nice find about MC Scab.......
BTW, his girlfriend Steven, (aka Bdfg1) who claims to be, ehem, retired also has some pretty good hits as well.....
Check them out by clicking on the link! Remember, he claims to have NEVER been a j4j captain and retired shortly after 9/11. Take a look at the dates on his posts! These two make such a great pair!
interesting...luckily DOH=integrity, otherwise this might seem a bit fishy!!!
 
All mergers have been DOH with protections.

Maybe most US Air mergers were but historically that has not always been the case. There are several airlines that have not used DOH as a model of integration.

DOH = integrity

You probably think that if you're the one who benifits from it.

Integrity, according to the American Heritage Dictionary, is:
  1. Steadfast adherence to a strict moral or ethical code.
  2. The state of being unimpaired; soundness.
  3. The quality or condition of being whole or undivided; completeness.
1. There is no moral or ethical code that says DOH=Integrity. There is a moral and ethical code that says binding arbitration is binding. If you agree to do something and then back out you demonstrate a complete lack of integrity. Remember: Do all that you have agreed to do.

2. The decisions made by the East pilots have been anything but unimpaired or sound. They've been irrational and emotional.

3. The East pilots have done everything they can to keep us from being whole, undivided, or complete.

The Nic lottery ticket is gone. Get over it.

It's gonna stick. Unfortunately we'll have to go through a few lawsuits and endure tough times before the East guys finally realize that. This is assuming the airline will survive at all.

Right now it seems like the East logic is "I'd rather see this airline fail and I'd rather be on the street than accept a relative integration".
 
Seniority DONT mean $hit at the next job interview!! Rather than waste time on these boards, get your resumes ready boyzz!! The Asian carriers are hiring!! I believe this DONKEY is dead. Time to find another one...............
 
Fly-n-hi;1611840 It's gonna stick. Unfortunately we'll have to go through a few lawsuits and endure tough times before the East guys finally realize that. This is assuming the airline will survive at all. Right now it seems like the East logic is "[COLOR=red said:
I'd rather see this airline fail and I'd rather be on the street than accept a relative integration[/COLOR]".

There are other ways to make a living. There is no motivation for East to accept the nic.
 
There are other ways to make a living. There is no motivation for East to accept the nic.

Who Cares what the East thinks. Via the court system, there will be adequate motivation for the Company to implement the already accepted nic award.

Since the East shot themselves in the foot with USAPA, and removed any requirement for dual ratification, there is very little stopping the Nic. award . I'd say LOA 93 and an endless stream of furloughs is the future of US air until this Virus of an airline finally dies.
 
There are other ways to make a living. There is no motivation for East to accept the nic.
I wonder if any of them have stopped to think about the potential precedent they could set if they were actually successful. Could you imagine an airline industry where an arbitrated award means absolutely nothing? Management everywhere would be looking to USAPA's precedent. Would they be successful in overturning grievance arbitrations because management fired their old lawyer, or shifted their case to a holding company, etc? A successful outcome for USAPA in this case opens doors that none of us want to see opened.
 
There are other ways to make a living. There is no motivation for East to accept the nic.

In reality there is no reason for them to not accept the Nic award. In the end it wont matter if they "accept" it or not...they're gonna get it.

Now that furloughs are on the horizon you'll see the list get implemented sooner than later. The company just can't afford to run two seperate airlines anymore. Things have to get done now.

These 40 and 50 something year old pilots on the east side are going to be in for a rude awakening if they think they can just start over in another profession and have what they have at US Airways. Yeah...I know things have gotten worse over the past several years...but this is still a way better profession than many professions out there.
 
Who Cares what the East thinks. Via the court system, there will be adequate motivation for the Company to implement the already accepted nic award.

Since the East shot themselves in the foot with USAPA, and removed any requirement for dual ratification, there is very little stopping the Nic. award . I'd say LOA 93 and an endless stream of furloughs is the future of US air until this Virus of an airline finally dies.

So when is all of this going to be decided or resolved? Does it go before another judge?
 
Actually upon further review I have decided that I actually am a fan of the nic award. The end result was this ridiculous excuse of a seniority list which was responsible for our MEC at UAL to refer to USAir as a “toxic stew.” There is no logical way to merge a third party. Being brought into a seniority list junior to some AW pilot is unacceptable as is going senior to USAir pilots that have been around longer than I. (it’s called morals) The nic makes it impossible to avoid the above situation so in the end I guess I am a fan of this "toxic stew."
 
Actually upon further review I have decided that I actually am a fan of the nic award. The end result was this ridiculous excuse of a seniority list which was responsible for our MEC at UAL to refer to USAir as a “toxic stew.” There is no logical way to merge a third party. Being brought into a seniority list junior to some AW pilot is unacceptable as is going senior to USAir pilots that have been around longer than I. (it’s called morals) The nic makes it impossible to avoid the above situation so in the end I guess I am a fan of this "toxic stew."


Even some AWA pilot that has bee there for 20 yrs or so?

Hmmmmmmmm. you must be a sky GOD.
 
Even some AWA pilot that has bee there for 20 yrs or so?

Hmmmmmmmm. you must be a sky GOD.

I would have had no problem with any pilot on either side that had been at their respective airline longer than me being senior to me. I think that was rather clear in the post.
 
I would have had no problem with any pilot on either side that had been at their respective airline longer than me being senior to me. I think that was rather clear in the post.

What if said pilot has been on furlough for ten of their 17 years? What if you have more LOS?

Still Mr. Altruistic?

AAA and UAL are done, why do you give a damn what goes on at This trainwreck?

Are you MCDU's Mystery UAL poster?

You have enough problems at your own train wreck, why don't you just focus on those?
 
If said pilot has been furloughed for ten out of 17 years and still wants to go back to that job...Wow, what an idiot. An idiot because he wants to screw others for his upgrade.

Maybe only two more years on furlough and you should be recalled directly to the left seat.
 
What if said pilot has been on furlough for ten of their 17 years? What if you have more LOS?

Still Mr. Altruistic?

AAA and UAL are done, why do you give a damn what goes on at This trainwreck?

Are you MCDU's Mystery UAL poster?

You have enough problems at your own train wreck, why don't you just focus on those?

First off I guess I am not as pessimistic as you are as both AAA and UAL will make it through this current “crisis.” It’s not the first, nor the last the airlines will face.
As to MCDU don’t know him. I guess it’s just to difficult for you to accept there could be more than one person who understands the NIC is crap.
 
First off I guess I am not as pessimistic as you are as both AAA and UAL will make it through this current “crisis.” It’s not the first, nor the last the airlines will face.
As to MCDU don’t know him. I guess it’s just to difficult for you to accept there could be more than one person who understands the NIC is crap.

Nic is "crap" even though it was the end result of a pre-arranged and agreed to process. That's crap.

But it's okay, to use simple majority, Hijack a union, totally disenfranchise 40% of the pilot group, sue them, threaten them with termination if they won't pay for their new "service". A service that is unabashedly and clearly defined as existing for NO OTHER REASON than to staple 80% of AMW.

As of now, every AMW furloughee brought a job to this merger and every East 99 hire, who had no job, who had no realistic future at this diseased airline, remains employed. If you were placed in this situation you would fight just as hard, don't BS yourself.

So Which is more "crap"? Nic, is hardly a windfall. Unless you call being bolted to a parasitic airline that only specializes in furloughs, crashing and navigating through Bankruptcy court a windfall.

If this airline survives long enough, the law will settle this matter. I doubt it will however.

This airline is a cancer, the faster it dies the faster the healthy body can recover. Call it natures, do over. We'll see how valuable DOH is then.
 
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Looks like Ocity is going to get furloughed.
 
I believe AWA would have been much better off without the merger. They would still be hiring and making lots of cash. Now, we got lots of furloughs. How times change.
 
Good. I am glad you are not getting furloughed. Honestly.
 
As of now, every AMW furloughee brought a job to this merger and every East 99 hire, who had no job, who had no realistic future at this diseased airline, remains employed.

Ahhh Now it is clear why they dumped ALPA. They know how to fight for thier jobs.
 
Guys,

The NIC decision may be crap but that is immaterial. It may not be fair but that is immaterial. The fact is that situations such as this are being decided in a way that breaks from past history. The fact is it is a legal decision that cannot be overcome at least with the efforts of the US Airways east pilots thus far.

Every decision is subject to review. So far no west US Airways pilot is paying dues nor has any intention of paying dues to USAPPA. They do pay into a legal fund to kill USAPPA. Just as US Airways east pilots have chosen to ignore a legally binding decision, so too have US Airways west pilots chosen to ignore a legal change in representation.

It is all subject to review and no one is going to suffer anything until such time as the legal system gets around to making their review since nothing is written in concrete. The fact that USAPPA has won a temporary representation election is just a transient thing since it is subject to legal review and rejection.

In the meantime I, a former union leader, enjoy working actively to undermine a SCAB union such as USAPPA has chosen to represent themselves.

They threaten my job because I choose to not pay dues but that is all up to legal review just as the Nic decision is, according to USAPPA, up for legal review. When the courts make a decision then we will have something to work with either way. In the meantime I keep my money and continue to work against the efforts of many of the east US Airways pilots who are SCABS and shall forever in my mind be scabs. Subject to legal review of course since nothing is concrete in this world!
 
This airline is a cancer, the faster it dies the faster the healthy body can recover. Call it natures, do over. We'll see how valuable DOH is then

Amen, Preach on my brother preach on!!!

WD.
 
Guys,

The NIC decision may be crap but that is immaterial. It may not be fair but that is immaterial. The fact is that situations such as this are being decided in a way that breaks from past history. The fact is it is a legal decision that cannot be overcome at least with the efforts of the US Airways east pilots thus far.

Every decision is subject to review. So far no west US Airways pilot is paying dues nor has any intention of paying dues to USAPPA. They do pay into a legal fund to kill USAPPA. Just as US Airways east pilots have chosen to ignore a legally binding decision, so too have US Airways west pilots chosen to ignore a legal change in representation.

It is all subject to review and no one is going to suffer anything until such time as the legal system gets around to making their review since nothing is written in concrete. The fact that USAPPA has won a temporary representation election is just a transient thing since it is subject to legal review and rejection.

In the meantime I, a former union leader, enjoy working actively to undermine a SCAB union such as USAPPA has chosen to represent themselves.

They threaten my job because I choose to not pay dues but that is all up to legal review just as the Nic decision is, according to USAPPA, up for legal review. When the courts make a decision then we will have something to work with either way. In the meantime I keep my money and continue to work against the efforts of many of the east US Airways pilots who are SCABS and shall forever in my mind be scabs. Subject to legal review of course since nothing is concrete in this world!

I'm with you on this!!! Mutha FK usapa and all who support the scabs!!!
 
WD,

I really do think that at the end of the day the problem with the east/west division is a cultural phenomenon. As much as I hate to characterize people I really do have to characterize the east US population as completely out of touch with America and its values. I go east a lot and it is a wonderful place. But the people, generally speaking, are so out of touch with reality, that it just boggles my mind! So the east US Airways pilots are only exhibiting that culture that they are infected with which is so out of touch with reality in the way that United States of America exists today and I fear for the future of this country in this world with the typical east citizen mentality. They need to get out in the world a bit more!
 
I would suggest paying your dues in quarter rolls in an an enema bag, but USAPA slime like weasel would probably just enjoy it.
 

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