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MCDU

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WOW! Looks like the furloughed pilots at America West had no career expectations after 9/11.

2001 was the year Parker got tapped as America West's CEO, starting the new job on Sept. 1. The company had improved its finances and things like on-time performance, and there was a fair amount of optimism in the room when Parker and his new management team went outfor drinks across the street from the office on the evening of Sept. 10, 2001. One of the things they felt good about was the $200 million in financing they had just lined up for the company.
Parker was getting dressed just before 6 a.m. local time the next morning when he got a phone call from his sister about the first plane hitting the World Trade Center. He watched a few minutes of the coverage before he left the room to continue getting dressed when his wife ran in to tell him about the second plane. His system operation and control people immediately called to say all planes were being grounded.
"I remember being elated to learn all our planes were safely on the ground," he said. "Later that day, once we started having conversations with FAA and DOT, who were telling us the skies were not going to be reopened the next day, it quickly became clear to a number of us that this was going to have a real impact."
The airline's new financing had disappeared, and it was left with significantly less cash on hand, even relative to its size, than other carriers.
When Parker spoke to the America West board before being named CEO, he remembers telling them the one area he didn't have much experience in was government relations, but he didn't think that was much of an issue for an airline its size.
But he was soon attending meetings at the White House, and he testified before Congress on Sept. 19, urging both direct help for airlines and loan guarantees from the new three-member Air Transportation Stabilization Board.
"We were the poster child for the ATSB program. We literally were an airline that could raise money before 9/11 but with the capital markets closed couldn't raise it," he recalled. "Without a loan guarantee we were going to find ourselves liquidating."
The $380 million loan guarantee was approved on a split vote, with a Treasury official voting no because he thought the government would end up on the hook for the loan. America West had the breathing room it needed to survive, and the federal government controlled a third of the company.
 
They were in better shape than the original USAirways was post 9/11. Surprised that place wasn't shuttered. You should thank your friends at AWA for saving your a$$.........
 
I do not work for USair. Just wanted to point out that USair was not the only one in distress. I thought they were both toast.

Marty
 
I do not work for USair. Just wanted to point out that USair was not the only one in distress. I thought they were both toast.

Marty

HP was not in a cash crunch (as you refer) the way AAA was at the time the HP/AAA merger was announced. Yes, after 9/11, HP was cash critical- so were all the airlines.

That was then, this is now. Since 9/11 Doug Parker, who was just promoted to CEO at the time, successfully negotiated the ATSB loans and was able to slowly bring HP from a tough financial situation to the profitable, growing carrier that we saw at the time of the AAA acquisition announcement. He did this without declaring bankruptcy, and without asking for concessions.

So in effect, the thread you started is without merit and is senseless. Good job revealing your true intelligence.
 
Jeepers, guys, the arbitration is in progress and yet you still want to debate it here? Both sides are wooing Nicolau and will say whatever they can to influence him. Just let it go...
 
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Jeepers, guys, the arbitration is in progress and yet you still want to debate it here? Both sides are wooing Nicolau and will say whatever they can to influence him. Just let it go...

On this I will agree with you. It is pointless to argue this crap anymore. The merger committees will present their case and Nicolau will decide as he sees fit. End of story.

Andy
 
OK, America West was struggling to get financing post 9/11/2001. Nice job there Scoop. Are you aware that it's nearly the end of 2006?

I'm certain that you had a point when you posted this, so please enlighten us.
 
Great article MCDU, of course its total flamebait though since it exposes the weak AWA staple job integration position.
 
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"WOW! Looks like the furloughed pilots at America West had no career expectations after 9/11."

WOW! You are grasping for straws. Lets leave the arbitration to the arbitrator.
 
Great article MCDU, of course its total flamebait though since it exposes the weak AWA staple job integration position.


Don't know anyone at AWA looking to staple, the east on the otherhand.....
 
I guess you missed the part about placing all furloughed AAA pilots below the recent AWA new hire....
 
V-Twin, get bent. When you are furloughed, you do not have a job. Been there, done that. When you get laid off you go find other work. It sucks. Been there. Why are you sitting around waiting to come back to a clusterf#*k of an airline? You obviously(sp) are qualified to apply to the UPS's, FEX, AT,SW,JB's of the world. Go get yourself something better. Done that. But bitching that the unemployed should be slotted above an active, working pilot is shameful.
 
"But bitching that the unemployed should be slotted above an active, working pilot is shameful."

We are doing more than just bitching about it, we intend to make it happen and I don't feel the least bit shamed by it sport.

You will be thanking us when your furlough comes for maintaining the correct precedent.

Dave O. is that you?
 
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"But bitching that the unemployed should be slotted above an active, working pilot is shameful."

We are doing more than just bitching about it, we intend to make it happen and I don't feel the least bit shamed by it sport.

You will be thanking us when your furlough comes for maintaining the correct precedent.

Dave O. is that you?


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enjoy the bottom of the list beyotch !!!





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"But bitching that the unemployed should be slotted above an active, working pilot is shameful."

We are doing more than just bitching about it, we intend to make it happen and I don't feel the least bit shamed by it sport.

You will be thanking us when your furlough comes for maintaining the correct precedent.

Dave O. is that you?

Ah yes.....that classic USAir "the world owes me a living just because I'm an airline employee" attitude comes shining through once again!!


PHXFLYR:cool:
 
V-Twin, get bent. When you are furloughed, you do not have a job. Been there, done that. When you get laid off you go find other work. It sucks. Been there. Why are you sitting around waiting to come back to a clusterf#*k of an airline? You obviously(sp) are qualified to apply to the UPS's, FEX, AT,SW,JB's of the world. Go get yourself something better. Done that. But bitching that the unemployed should be slotted above an active, working pilot is shameful.


Something tells me that with that lovely personality of his, the only job ol'V-Twin could have gotten was the USAir job he got furloughed from.Anyway, doing something like what you mentioned would probaly take too much effort. I guess he much rather sit here on this webboard and "beech" about his mis-fortune.


PHXFLYR:cool:
 
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"But bitching that the unemployed should be slotted above an active, working pilot is shameful."

We are doing more than just bitching about it, we intend to make it happen and I don't feel the least bit shamed by it sport.

You will be thanking us when your furlough comes for maintaining the correct precedent.

Dave O. is that you?

wow... and to think AAA was within 5 days of liquidation.
 
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You guys crack me up. You make as much sense as your weak integration arguements, none. Your position has no merit and your obviously scared to death. Pathetic.
 
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Pot meet kettle.

Ouch, got me there Linecheck.

Parker recently said AWA was going to liquidate in the article posted here that you are misquoting, and has of yet never supported your goofy position that AWA saved AAA. In fact he has emphatically denied it.

The arbitrator will most likely disregard it as noise also. It is just as ridiculous as the notion that AAA is going to save DAL, but it is all you got
so your going with it.
 
Let us not forget that AWA had already been in bankruptcy before 9/11 and has been fubar almost since its inception.
 
"date of hire, or just like Empire" mmmmmmmm where have we heard that before!!?!
 
Ouch, got me there Linecheck.

Parker recently said AWA was going to liquidate in the article posted here that you are misquoting, and has of yet never supported your goofy position that AWA saved AAA. In fact he has emphatically denied it.

The arbitrator will most likely disregard it as noise also. It is just as ridiculous as the notion that AAA is going to save DAL, but it is all you got
so your going with it.


If you are so confident of your merger committee's case, then why are we debating the seniority integration here on Flightinfo?

Perhaps you may also realize that the more we sling bombshells on each other regarding who's airline is more financially solvent, the more resentment our two pilot groups will have over each other, and for ALPA. This, my friend, is exactly what Parker and all other airline CEO's want: for us to become so engrossed in internal politics that we loose sight of everything around us.

All the AAA/HP pilots are going to be screwed with this integration. There will be not one pilot who will be happy with the outcome. We can either direct this anger at ourselves and make us look like a bunch of idiots, or we can focus this energy on an industry leading contract that restores what each airline has given up so much.

I, for one, am looking forward to a huge raise!
 
If you are so confident of your merger committee's case, then why are we debating the seniority integration here on Flightinfo?

Perhaps you may also realize that the more we sling bombshells on each other regarding who's airline is more financially solvent, the more resentment our two pilot groups will have over each other, and for ALPA. This, my friend, is exactly what Parker and all other airline CEO's want: for us to become so engrossed in internal politics that we loose sight of everything around us.

All the AAA/HP pilots are going to be screwed with this integration. There will be not one pilot who will be happy with the outcome. We can either direct this anger at ourselves and make us look like a bunch of idiots, or we can focus this energy on an industry leading contract that restores what each airline has given up so much.

I, for one, am looking forward to a huge raise!

Actually, I am pretty happy with what I have seen by our side, but I have over 13 years active. Some however already feel alienated over DOH adjusted for furlough which really benefits your side, if you are familiar with what has happened on this so far. Otherwise, can't agree with you more on the rest of your post.
 
Something tells me that with that lovely personality of his, the only job ol'V-Twin could have gotten was the USAir job he got furloughed from.Anyway, doing something like what you mentioned would probaly take too much effort. I guess he much rather sit here on this webboard and "beech" about his mis-fortune.


PHXFLYR:cool:

Your 990 posts to my 31....? Now come on, who is sitting on this webboard?

Actually, I prefer watching the Crew News videos on The Hub
where that terrified AWA pilot in PHX on two seperate occasions begs Kirby and Parker to ignore the arbitrators decision when it comes out. Love how Parker and Kirby dance around that one, knowing how tender you guys are and all. Was that you?
 
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