USA Jet Eliminates Training Pay

[1917Dr1]

If the Falcon pilots got more days off, I'd consider applying. But from what I hear the crews don't even know their schedules until 3 or 4 days before the bid period begins, ouch!

 

[atpcliff]

Hi!

Sometimes crews don't know until a few days before the bid starts. Normally, it's 2 weeks. There's only one scheduler, so if she's on vacation, or something like that, it sometimes comes down to the wire.

We've been trying to get 13 days off/month on the Falcon, like the -9 guys have. So far, no luck.

cliff
GRB

 

[Metro752]

Maybe after they get some of those guys in Falcon training online that might happen.

 

[pilotyip]

Crews normally have thier schedules 10 days in advance of the start of the bid period, sometimes it is later due to crewmembers not turning in thier bid sheets on time and trying to get a line over the phone or the crew scheduler is on days off or sick. We don't have many complains about the schedule. If it not good enought for you , don't apply it is very simple.

 

[asipilot]

Lately the schedule has been coming out about 4 days prior to the first day of the bid, much worse than it used to be. I also would consider staying at USAJ longer if we had the same amount of days off as the 9 guys. There is really no plauseable justification for treating the falcon guys like ugly step children. They took away all the weekend lines last year which was the last straw for some us. Were just sick of being treated like second class citizens for doing the same (sometimes harder) job than the DC-9.

That's alright, IMHO about 50-60% of all usa jet pilots have active apps out right now. If they don't do something about pilot retention real soon they will have lot's of falcon FO's and about 6 Captains, 3 of them over the age of 60!!

Good Luck to all

 

[landlover]

Lately the schedule has been coming out about 4 days prior to the first day of the bid, much worse than it used to be. I also would consider staying at USAJ longer if we had the same amount of days off as the 9 guys. There is really no plauseable justification for treating the falcon guys like ugly step children. They took away all the weekend lines last year which was the last straw for some us. Were just sick of being treated like second class citizens for doing the same (sometimes harder) job than the DC-9.

That's alright, IMHO about 50-60% of all usa jet pilots have active apps out right now. If they don't do something about pilot retention real soon they will have lot's of falcon FO's and about 6 Captains, 3 of them over the age of 60!!

Good Luck to all

samething is going on across the field. the falcon guys make all the money for the company and get treated like a wet foodstamp. meanwhile back at the ranch we got dc-9 guys flying once a month just collecting a pay check with 20 days off. i am so happy this pilot shortage is in full effect. finally the owners will actually have to make changes if they want to stay in biz.

 

[HA25]

Lately the schedule has been coming out about 4 days prior to the first day of the bid, much worse than it used to be. I also would consider staying at USAJ longer if we had the same amount of days off as the 9 guys. There is really no plauseable justification for treating the falcon guys like ugly step children. They took away all the weekend lines last year which was the last straw for some us. Were just sick of being treated like second class citizens for doing the same (sometimes harder) job than the DC-9.

That's alright, IMHO about 50-60% of all usa jet pilots have active apps out right now. If they don't do something about pilot retention real soon they will have lot's of falcon FO's and about 6 Captains, 3 of them over the age of 60!!

Good Luck to all

This too is what I'm hearing from former USA pilots, but your coolaid drinking standards manager seems to have his head in the sand, and seems to think USA is the final career stop of many a highly skilled, high caliber pilot. NOT!

 

[pilotyip]

Again no idea, talk about head in the sand

Again VT thanks for the plug, you have no idea of who we are, we take a guy like ASI, Buckeye, etc, who has never flown a TJ, he stays with us 4-5 years, get his 1000 TJ PIC, gets his FAA Check airman letter and gets interviews at career places, Spirit, NJ, JetBlue, AirTran, DAL, FedEx, etc. And if things don't work out like you want, i.e. you don't get hired. You still an income you can live on while looking. The DA-20 is a training airplane at USA Jet; the career airplane is the DC-9, which is why the pay is higher. You have to pay your dues someplace; there are many ways to pay your dues USA Jet is only one of them. Many have benefited from their stay at USA Jet. BTW ASI, before you came we cranked out new DA-20 Capts' in three months after they were hired, Goose, Hunt, Porter, etc. We can do it again we have a lot of high time new hires who are potential Captain material by mid summer.

 

[asipilot]

I don't doubt we CAN turn out Captains that fast, the question however is whether or not we will be able to keep the good FO's we want to upgrade and the training captains to properly upgrade them. Flying with the guys we have just hired, they seem to be looking for other opportunities already, or so they say at least???

 

[1917Dr1]

It sounds like it's really not as bad as I had heard. If you've got guys in the training department staying on and not going for greener pastures, and are attracting highly skilled pilots, there must be something there. There's a lot to be said for holding on to an experienced pilot group. It's when the quality guys start leaving, unannounced, that people need to re-evauate the situation. I'll get my resume together.

 

[tathepilot]

Where else can you still get one dollar drafts at places like the Wedge?

sorry for the jack, but where is this place..?

 

[pilotyip]

"wedge"

The "Wedge" is really the Lakeview Tavern, right on main St., across the bridge on the left side coming into town from the north. New hire party on Wednesday 5-30-07 1800L BTW ASI we have been through this before, we have fairly solid cadre of IP's that are not going anywhere, we have a strong training program, with explicit completion standards, and the ability to get pilots on line. I expect we will pull it off again. Yes lots are "lookin" but not everyone is getting hired at the right places. So only time will tell.

 

[Metro752]

sorry for the jack, but where is this place..?

S I-94 on Belleville Rd, the Lakeview Tavern

*yip beat me to it

 

[RedEye1]

Somebody mapquest it, piltos aren't that smart

 

[RedEye1]

Metro, you flying those old beat up falcons now?

 

[tathepilot]

cool, thanks!!

 

[Sunnfun]

That's alright, IMHO about 50-60% of all usa jet pilots have active apps out right now. If they don't do something about pilot retention real soon they will have lot's of falcon FO's and about 6 Captains, 3 of them over the age of 60!!

Good Luck to all

You've been talking about leaving for what like three years now? Was going to Netjets too much of a paycut? The thing about JUS is that most people are still ok with the circumstances (Others won't be hired elsewhere, so they don't count); where else do you get payed a 55 hour guarantee for almost no flying at all?

It's a great starting Job, very good training, good experience no doubt, but don't get stuck with golden handcuffs and then complain about it...

 

[atpcliff]

Hi!

It IS harder to leave when you're making $18K-$25K/month.

One Falcon FO made $7K last Jun.

cliff
YIP

 

[asipilot]

You've been talking about leaving for what like three years now? Was going to Netjets too much of a paycut? The thing about JUS is that most people are still ok with the circumstances (Others won't be hired elsewhere, so they don't count); where else do you get payed a 55 hour guarantee for almost no flying at all?

It's a great starting Job, very good training, good experience no doubt, but don't get stuck with golden handcuffs and then complain about it...

Unfortunately I did not get hired at NetJets sunfun. I still may try to go re-do the sim but not right now. I found out that that my wife may be losing her job as a teacher this upcoming fall. If this happened we would be in big trouble at NJA even if I could find out how to make 45-50k first year. That would be about a 60% paycut between both jobs!!

BTW, I also have 7 other Apps floating around right now, all except 3 of them would be a pay cut for the first 2-3 years !! I planned on being at USAJ for 3-5 years, in a 10 more months it will be 5 years.

The funny/sick thing is that I really enjoy the actual flying I do at USAJ, it's all the other BS that beats you down !!!!

 

[Sunnfun]

Unfortunately I did not get hired at NetJets sunfun. I still may try to go re-do the sim but not right now. I found out that that my wife may be losing her job as a teacher this upcoming fall. If this happened we would be in big trouble at NJA even if I could find out how to make 45-50k first year. That would be about a 60% paycut between both jobs!!

Sorry to hear about your wifes Job situation. I hope it turns out well for her.

The funny/sick thing is that I really enjoy the actual flying I do at USAJ, it's all the other BS that beats you down !!!!

Same here, I really enjoyed the flying at JUS, got me ready for my current job. But my last four months I averaged 24 hrs a month and soon after that they laid the first bunch off, no F/O was making $7K... Is the biz a bit more steady now?

Good luck on your job hunt!