US Recalls

[General Lee]

Sorry to interrupt the sniping and counter-sniping but here's some dispassionate facts. West is stagnant. East is recalling due to attrition and for slow growth soon due to the 190s. Easties are flying some former West routes and Westies are flying some former East routes; those block hours are a wash. The company recently has been compliant with the Transition agreement in this regard.

Interestingly, after two winters of being on reserve January and February this year I've had lines. I suspect we'll actually need to have some recalls come West by this summer unless something changes.

We need to unify to get a Joint Contract asap. Until we do the West will continue to stagnate and the East will continue to languish under a consessionary contract.

The West are flying some East routes? I think I saw PDX to PHL 4 days a week on an allnighter. Can you throw in some other examples? The East side flies a lot of LAS flights now that they did not before(MIA, FLL etc), plus a lot of California flights through PHX and a MSP flight from PHX. Just curious.


Bye Bye--General Lee

 

[Itsallsogood]

It is all about the East coast whiners. Doug is playing right along with them. Let me ask, again. Are you saying there has been NO retirements or increased flying west? The West went from hiring to NO growth for 2 years. All growth WEST, would have been to/for the East recalls. Which to me is nothing but a WINDFALL EAST.
Lets me say that again....this whole merger mess has been a HUGE WINDFALL for the EAST.

 

[Itsallsogood]

East flying....West flying... I saw 9 flights a day by the East to PHX. In addition, many flights outbound from PHX to numerous destinations by the EAST. This month 1 flight SAN-PHL and a PHL-BOS flight and I believe a PDX-PHL . WOW. But thanks following the agreement. Windfall EAST.

 

[BeCareful!]

OK....whatever. How about you guys take back all these Mesa CRJ900's flying our stuff in CLT. You're the powerhouse ALPA unit that allowed those aircraft in the first place.

You guys have so much more opportunity for a global airline career than you did. How many wide bodies did you have? Windfall WEST.

 

[Itsallsogood]

OK....whatever. How about you guys take back all these Mesa CRJ900's flying our stuff in CLT. You're the powerhouse ALPA unit that allowed those aircraft in the first place.

You guys have so much more opportunity for a global airline career than you did. How many wide bodies did you have? Windfall WEST.

OK MR WE HAD 9 WIDEBODIES for the global universe.....

That is why WE kept the EMB190's in house ....so you could come back.

You are welcome.

 

[michael707767]

OK....whatever. How about you guys take back all these Mesa CRJ900's flying our stuff in CLT. You're the powerhouse ALPA unit that allowed those aircraft in the first place.

compared to the USAir MEC which was going to allow outsourcing on the E-190. It was the AWA MEC that put the stops to that if I remember correctly.

 

[MCDU]

USAir has more then 9 widebodys. 767 and A 330 I believe.

 

[TWA Dude]

The West are flying some East routes? I think I saw PDX to PHL 4 days a week on an allnighter. Can you throw in some other examples?

SAN-PHL (And they're getting the good, long layovers!) I don't know the others off hand.

 

[BeCareful!]

OK MR WE HAD 9 WIDEBODIES for the global universe.....

That is why WE kept the EMB190's in house ....so you could come back.

You are welcome.

Welcome for what? You guys sold out on the 90 seaters long before we did! We were pressured to do it only because you had. Have you been paying attention?

SO....OK MR. I DON'T EVEN KNOW A 767 IS A WIDE BODY AIRCRAFT, are you done painting your ALPA group as a big tough powerhouse? Your working conditions have been the goal of U management since the Just Call Me Dave era. Not a month went by that he didn't tell us how he longed for an AWA style agreement.

 

[Itsallsogood]

compared to the USAir MEC which was going to allow outsourcing on the E-190. It was the AWA MEC that put the stops to that if I remember correctly.

And the USAir EAST MEC f@##$$%% that up too. The (bad) thing now is that the EAST, left Millions on the table for Doug.

Let the West have ALL the 190's. Open seats at the higher contract. FO's coming back would sit in a West seat... Higher money..... But NO the East $##$%% 'ed that up too.

 

[Itsallsogood]

and Yes, Dave should be higher on the list than you . His (our) company bailed your sorry ass out, and gave you an opportunity to have a job to come back to. So do not ever slam Dave.

 

[charterpuke]

Well the east is where all the retirements are coming from, so how is that a windfall? So far the recalls are all for attrition.

I would say it is a windfall since they should be on the unemployment line!

 

[Itsallsogood]

Welcome for what? You guys sold out on the 90 seaters long before we did! We were pressured to do it only because you had.

LOL....... "we were pressured."....... LOL, .. "only because you had."..... LOL.....

 

[Itsallsogood]

Hey Mr BeCarefull.... Have you ever flown a 767? ....Widebody?

 

[MCDU]

Itsallsogood, you have the same attitude as to why American Airlines furloughed TWA Captains and kept their new hires. TWA Alpa pilots got hosed by AMR and I just hope it does not happen to USAir pilots.

MARTY