US Airways Pilot/FA Recall

[psw757]

just got hoggs job offer for a position flying a 190 in phl.

Promptly threw it in the trash.......

hahaha

 

[Question4U]

Just got Hoggs job offer for a position flying a 190 in PHL.

Promptly threw it in the trash.......

What do you mean? You don't want to work for less than Mesa wages and be locked into PHL for 18 months. The good news is your DOH that they preach about is usless and you can be jr. to new hires. What a joke.

 

[grog_sit_reserv]

Being they've run 4 classes already, not gonna happen. Funny thing is, I bet some west people will jump on this. Giving up seniority, 50% paycut, 18 month lock on the east regardless if there are any west openings, crap commute etc.... And the best yet, pretty much giving up on the nicolau, talk about having integrity and sticking to what you believe is right.

PSW, nobody is jumping on this out west. It seems more like we're all lining up to say no.

 

[Tweaker]

It sounds like an offer you can't help but refuse, but I am sure there are some who are really struggling financially, or live on the "right" coast.

I don't think it is fair to accuse someone who does this of giving up on the Nic award.

 

[psw757]

It sounds like an offer you can't help but refuse, but I am sure there are some who are really struggling financially, or live on the "right" coast.

I don't think it is fair to accuse someone who does this of giving up on the Nic award.

Who said anything about being fair? Nothing is fair in this business, especially at this company. If any original west take this it is a 100 percent sellout. There are more rumored classes for Phx in the next couple months. Why anyone would give up what they earned Over the last 5-6 years to go to the 190 on the very first chance is beyond me.

 

[psw757]

Who said anything about being fair? Nothing is fair in this business, especially at this company. If any original west take this it is a 100 percent sellout. There are more rumored classes for Phx in the next couple months. Why anyone would give up what they earned Over the last 5-6 years to go to the 190 on the very first chance is beyond me.

I think the company is hoping they take it. Creates more of a rift, lowers payroll and then they can put some newhires out west. There is always more to the big picture.

 

[OnTheDole]

not that this applies to me (as I live in PHX) but... if a West furlough lives on the east coast this may very well be an ok deal. Lets face it, there won't be a contract (and thus the NIC) for years and if you live on the east coast doing a 12 month stint on the 190 in PHL to get an east coast base on a group 2 or better A/C while waiting on this 'merger' to be complete might be better than remaining furloughed for the next 12 months then having to commute to PHX when you get recalled.

I dont see it as selling out on the NIC at all. If you ask me - the sell out of the NIC happens every day a west crew shows up to fly while the company allows the east to rape your career. At the end of the day the old question remains... is it better to be 'right' or better to be happy?

 

[OnTheDole]

I think the company is hoping they take it. Creates more of a rift, lowers payroll and then they can put some newhires out west. There is always more to the big picture.

that I agree with.........

 

[psw757]

Your points are all good. I just don't think a contract is as far away as many think. If I'm not mistaken most of the west guys furloughed were on 5th year pay. So your looking at just about a 50 percent paycut. That is a tough pill to swallow for short term happiness. Let's not be nieve here, I really think there will be classes for the Phx base after the holidays. So really, is it worth it? And for the west pilots it's an 18 month lock.

 

[OnTheDole]

18 month east lock yes - but also locked to the 190 for 12 months. Let me be clear - this deal sucks for anyone who wants to be based in PHX, but for someone who was @ AWA and commuted from the east coast this could make their life easier until a joint contract (which could be 'soon' - but I think is light years away)

 

[Tweaker]

I still don't see how you can have ill will towards someone who chooses to come to the dark side. It will be something that is in their best interests that doesn't effect you or anyone on the West at all. I am missing something.

 

[psw757]

No ill will here. Just a real crap sandwich deal for those guys.

 

[The Rookie]

Bzzzt.

Who said anything about being fair? Nothing is fair in this business, especially at this company. If any original west take this it is a 100 percent sellout. There are more rumored classes for Phx in the next couple months. Why anyone would give up what they earned Over the last 5-6 years to go to the 190 on the very first chance is beyond me.

For someone who is a furloughed, super junior west third-lister who lives in the PHL area, you sure are trying to dissuade senior west furloughees from taking the 190. This strikes me as slightly suspicious.

This airline is nowhere near a combined pilot contract. The Declaratory Judgement process is easily 18 to 24 months from being complete. Even then, we have our USAPA professional negotiating team who has barely scratched the surface on a new contract in the course of the past two years and will have even less incentive to combine the two groups if they feel the Nicolau Award will be implemented in a post Declaratory Judgement world.

The west operation is unlikely to ever return to 142 airplanes and I highly doubt you'll see ever see any new-hires, even when Parker decides to actually add capacity. What you are implying is that a pilot living out east should sit at the bottom of the west list and be in danger of being furloughed again as well as commute across the country to sit reserve for the next three to four years at a minimum.

So, that being said, I don't blame a furloughed guy with nothing to lose who lives on the east coast one bit for considering a position on the 190 in PHL. The East has the growth. Like it or not, the previously profitable routes in PHX and LAS under the old AWA cost structure are no longer and the majority of money to be made now is in PHL and DCA. Not to mention you have the union leaders of one pilot group who make Doug & Scott look like geniuses every quarter when the financials come out. They continue to have an incredible cost advantage to the company and will do so until they can no longer legally impose their will on the minority. Economics always wins.

To me, a E-190 position is like starting over at another airline. $51/hour to start and a raise when you can bid off in 12 months when your seat lock expires. It is not right for a furloughed west pilot to get stuck behind third listers, but this has nothing to do with selling out the Nicolau Award. It has everything to do with a hostile union and company who could care less ignoring language in the Transition Agreement that was supposed to ensure that pre-merger AWA pilots are senior to their third-list brethren in any situation.

 

[psw757]

For someone who is a furloughed, super junior west third-lister who lives in the PHL area, you sure are trying to dissuade senior west furloughees from taking the 190. This strikes me as slightly suspicious.

This airline is nowhere near a combined pilot contract. The Declaratory Judgement process is easily 18 to 24 months from being complete. Even then, we have our USAPA professional negotiating team who has barely scratched the surface on a new contract in the course of the past two years and will have even less incentive to combine the two groups if they feel the Nicolau Award will be implemented in a post Declaratory Judgement world.

The west operation is unlikely to ever return to 142 airplanes and I highly doubt you'll see ever see any new-hires, even when Parker decides to actually add capacity. What you are implying is that a pilot living out east should sit at the bottom of the west list and be in danger of being furloughed again as well as commute across the country to sit reserve for the next three to four years at a minimum.

So, that being said, I don't blame a furloughed guy with nothing to lose who lives on the east coast one bit for considering a position on the 190 in PHL. The East has the growth. Like it or not, the previously profitable routes in PHX and LAS under the old AWA cost structure are no longer and the majority of money to be made now is in PHL and DCA. Not to mention you have the union leaders of one pilot group who make Doug & Scott look like geniuses every quarter when the financials come out. They continue to have an incredible cost advantage to the company and will do so until they can no longer legally impose their will on the minority. Economics always wins.

To me, a E-190 position is like starting over at another airline. $51/hour to start and a raise when you can bid off in 12 months when your seat lock expires. It is not right for a furloughed west pilot to get stuck behind third listers, but this has nothing to do with selling out the Nicolau Award. It has everything to do with a hostile union and company who could care less ignoring language in the Transition Agreement that was supposed to ensure that pre-merger AWA pilots are senior to their third-list brethren in any situation.

Wow, Lighten Up there FRANCIS!
If it is such a great deal then accept the offer. really, one persons opinion shouldn't sway an entire list of furloughees. If you live out east it is a marginally ok deal, I'm not 100% thrilled about certain aspects of it. And as far as trying to persuade anyone, some asked what to expect as far as schedules and commutability etc.... If you look, the lines ain't great. And then the poop flinging started.

One thing I do agree with you on is the union being such DOH advocates, they should have really tried a little harder to ensure that the recall process was conducted via DOH. The way it is happening is truly pathetic at best!

Hopefully everything works out so we are all back to work soon and where we want to!

 

[elguapo9]

To me, a E-190 position is like starting over at another airline. $51/hour to start and a raise when you can bid off in 12 months when your seat lock expires..

I'm sure it was a typo, but it's $41/hr on the Mexican Airbus.

No notifications for this class yet. Nothing but crickets at my house.