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Crzipilot said:
Talked with checkairman today on flight I was on. Said to expect more hiring numbers through the year, or so they were briefed. Mgmt stated, yes, the 190 is a choke hold on getting guys back, expect to be hiring off the street, and those guys on the 190 for a year then bail to group II. Has a feeling bid will be out with grp II to finish off the furlough list and the voluntaries....... Just my .02 of what I heard.

which goes inline with the bid closing comm, I ran into leaving PIT after the last bid closed, which he mentioned there were Grp II vacancies, but company just eliminated them for time being....I.E. all recalls to the 190.
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Crzipilot - I like the comments by the CA that mgmt stated , yes the 190 is a "choke hold" on getting guys back ------- they must want it that way or otherwise they would raise the pay on it since those rates are not part of LOA 93!

Metrojet
 
Quick question, how many Easties passed on the 190 and still remain on furlough? I'm wondering if there are recalls to the bigger planes if there would be off the street hiring or are there still enough guys on furlough to staff the airline?
 
I think there's about 30 or so East furloughs still on the street (meaning they have bypassed at least once.) There's a class starting in Dec, though, but I don't know how big.
 
St. Nic said:
To the UNION bird man! You know, USAPA!!! Pretty soon we will have a joint CBA and much improved rates on the 190. Hold on Tweaker! Keep up that loyal support of yours- it doesn't go unnoticed!
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HAHAHAHA Joint CBA...... Thanks. I needed a laugh.
 
What was said was Choke hold. What was meant was CHOKE POINT, as in bottle neck. There are only two sims, one of which is JetBloo's. There are only so many E190 instructors.

MGMT is stating that they expect to only need these additional 55 pilots and not hire much more before the end of 2011. I think the new rest rules will make that statement false.

That is why only 10 a month new hires.
 
Just curious what the reserve rules are as far as minimum days off, call out, and credit. How beaten up can one expect to get commuting to short call reserve?

I've got to admitt, I'm pretty torn on the subject of USAirways- got a lot of hard thinking to do. However, the cold hard truth and fact of the matter is that they've furloughed EVERYONE they've ever hired for the last 20 years........ From an applicants standpoint, it's an all in poker hand.
 
Tweaker said:
What was said was Choke hold. What was meant was CHOKE POINT, as in bottle neck. There are only two sims, one of which is JetBloo's. There are only so many E190 instructors.

MGMT is stating that they expect to only need these additional 55 pilots and not hire much more before the end of 2011. I think the new rest rules will make that statement false.

That is why only 10 a month new hires.
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And the fact Airways is slowly learning....they walked around (usair mngmnt) for months with their pants down in 08' trying to get caught up on the 190 backlog. Thats how the first 5 refuges from the preferential express interviews ended up with a West base.
 
I've got to admitt, I'm pretty torn on the subject of USAirways- got a lot of hard thinking to do. However, the cold hard truth and fact of the matter is that they've furloughed EVERYONE they've ever hired for the last 20 years........ From an applicants standpoint, it's an all in poker hand.[/QUOTE]


I agree that is what I am hoping for. Time will tell and you never know what will happen. I think it is worth the risk.
 
MGMT is stating that they expect to only need these additional 55 pilots and not hire much more before the end of 2011. I think the new rest rules will make that statement false.

That is why only 10 a month new hires.
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What happened to the 300 (+) new hires projection for 2011?
 
Dornier 335 said:
What happened to the 300 (+) new hires projection for 2011?
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That announcement was made on an odd numbered day , this is an even numbered day silly. Airways will not hold themselves to anything said ,written, or implied for any longer than necessary. They make their plan of attack when they feel the need to copy another airlines news announcements.
 
I don't remember that. I do think the actual number will be around 150 at least. This is all speculation, so no need to ask for your money back or nothin.

Their RSV rules suck and are worse than my regional, just like their JR MAN rules.

-11 days off (Company has already agreed to 12/13 in next contract)

-short call is 90 minutes and there is no requirement that you actually get there in 90 mins, just be that close when you take the call. That is only improvement.

-long call is 9 hours (Company has already agreed to 12 in next contract, like current West) Each and every sequence of RSV days, the company can AND WILL call you to tell you...surprise! Your dumb arse is now on short call! How you like them apples? You can't do anything about it. They can do it every day of the year. You will have lost out on a better schedule you could have secured in a HL, Short call line and still end up with Short call. You only get a pro-rated boost in pay guarantee (72 long-76 short). It's great!

The real peach
-Jr. Man- There is no additional pay! There is no limit to how many they can slam into your anus. I say again for the dumbstruck...There is no additional pay!!!

I have longed to become a major airline pilot, but alas, this has not yet taken place. Perhaps after a real contract instead of this bastardized 1998 CBA that was taken to the woodshed via concessionary LOA's, the number of which I have lost count. Each and every one of these were agreed to by the current pilots at US Airways East, by the way. It is a messy bed that they sleep in, indeed. These would include permitting 38 CRJ-900's to fly their routes, while providing no furlough protection. But hey, at least the wholly owned carriers have been kept down in their place!

See, LCC is unique and therefore cannot pay their employees an industry standard wage. They are also unique in that their management has required 60% increases in pay, whilst the pilots have enjoyed an increase of 0.4%. We are special like a short bus, alright.

Meanwhile, the operation leads in on time performance and many piles of dog vomit in pilot uniforms are working voluntarily over the MANDATORY PAY CAPS and taking home over 105 hours of pay in a month WHILE PILOTS ARE FURLOUGHED!
 
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Tweaker said:
I don't remember that. I do think the actual number will be around 150 at least. This is all speculation, so no need to ask for your money back or nothin.

Their RSV rules suck and are worse than my regional, just like their JR MAN rules.

-11 days off (Company has already agreed to 12/13 in next contract)

-short call is 90 minutes and there is no requirement that you actually get there in 90 mins, just be that close when you take the call. That is only improvement.

-long call is 9 hours (Company has already agreed to 12 in next contract, like current West) Each and every sequence of RSV days, the company can AND WILL call you to tell you...surprise! Your dumb arse is now on short call! How you like them apples? You can't do anything about it. They can do it every day of the year. You will have lost out on a better schedule you could have secured in a HL, Short call line and still end up with Short call. You only get a pro-rated boost in pay guarantee (72 long-76 short). It's great!

The real peach
-Jr. Man- There is no additional pay! There is no limit to how many they can slam into your anus. I say again for the dumbstruck...There is no additional pay!!!

I have longed to become a major airline pilot, but alas, this has not yet taken place. Perhaps after a real contract instead of this bastardized 1998 CBA that was taken to the woodshed via concessionary LOA's, the number of which I have lost count.
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As much as it sucks it's still just a little better than spanking your monkey back home on unemployment right? I know I sound pretty negative about America's most dysfunctional airline (next to Mesa) but it did open some new doors for me...
 
Brother, I am ecstatic, and since you know me, I think you must know that! I am going to go to work happy and at least make enough to eat and make more homebrew. I am going to do the best job I can.

That doesn't mean that I am proud to be part of the bottom of an industry that has taken it in the shorts more than Ghey Aiken after he lost to Ruben Studdard.
 
Tweaker said:
Brother, I am ecstatic, and since you know me, I think you must know that! I am going to go to work happy and at least make enough to eat and make more homebrew. I am going to do the best job I can.

That doesn't mean that I am proud to be part of the bottom of an industry that has taken it in the shorts more than Ghey Aiken after he lost to Ruben Studdard.
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I'm happy all you guys got off the street and are back in the saddle too!
 
Meanwhile, the operation leads in on time performance and many piles of dog vomit in pilot uniforms are working voluntarily over the MANDATORY PAY CAPS and taking home over 105 hours of pay in a month WHILE PILOTS ARE FURLOUGHED!
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That's the part that bugs me most Tweaker. Must say, though; I enjoy your posts. Welcome back, hope to be back as well; but I'm West and I'll never move for this airline.

Tailwinds.
 
Commuter clause?

You can reserve jumpseats in advance....
but the only clause I know of is that if you don't
show up by report time you are in trouble.
 
Silly lefty, commuter clauses are for major airline pile its!
 
Believe it or not there is a verbal agreement for a commuter clause and it has worked for me 3 or 4 times in the past few years since my recall. I used it the first week in November again. If you give yourself two opportunities (with open seats when you listed) to get to work and you call scheds after the first leaves without you and then the second leaves without you there is no "trouble". I have had this happen 2 or 3 times with no problems.
 
Since the PIT, BOS and LGA base closures we now have many many more pile its (Tweaker) and stews commuting and I get the feeling that management (I can't believe I'm going to say this) is less punitive with regards to the not able to commute issues.
 
This was posted in another forum:

"new CBS message today says november will roll over into feb. any thoughts or rumors of when the next class will be?"


...uh not sure what a CBS message is, but just curious if anyone knows anything about it.
 
It's just a memo stating that the permanent bid for Nov will carry over into Feb, i.e. no new permanent bid. I'm wondering about classes also, I can't imagine that they will be able to fill the Dec 13th class with furloughs. Just curious, has anyone in the pool been contacted?
 
* little note on the short call requirement there. I believe it's only that you reside, I.E. crashpad or house is within 90 minutes normal driving time to the Employee parking lot. Ya gotta take alot of things into consideration during a normal day on Short call. On other side of town, need to eat, shower, pack, etc etc etc.....Don't even have to give sched a time when you'll show or a ETA. Just, let me get home and get my stuff I'll call ya when I'm there, or on the way or whatever.... Heck it can take 20 mins for the CLT bus to pick you up in the parking lot, then another 10 minutes to the terminal.

And for the commuting clause, not sure if one is actually implemented. I know ALPO gave some things up, in exchange for such a clause, which I don't think ever got implemented. Maybe it did, but ALPO had a way of doing that. Ohhh we won this, negotiated for this, then never get final language and it would drift into obscurity, meanwhile, MGMT was able to pick a few more sheckels out of one's pocket...

FYI Short call. and flew 30hrs last month, maybe 36 this month
 
Crzipilot said:
And for the commuting clause, not sure if one is actually implemented. I know ALPO gave some things up, in exchange for such a clause, which I don't think ever got implemented. Maybe it did, but ALPO had a way of doing that. Ohhh we won this, negotiated for this, then never get final language and it would drift into obscurity, meanwhile, MGMT was able to pick a few more sheckels out of one's pocket...
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The East doesn't have a commuter policy? That sucks. The West has one. Give yourself 2 mainline (or company regional if there are no mainlines) flights to get to work and you're good to go. If you get bumped off both, no worries. You aren't pay protected but it doesn't count against your attendance. I think ALP(A) got that for them. Yeah....they did. Hope USAPA doesn't give that away too.

Welcome back furloughed pilot!
 
It's just a memo stating that the permanent bid for Nov will carry over into Feb, i.e. no new permanent bid. I'm wondering about classes also, I can't imagine that they will be able to fill the Dec 13th class with furloughs. Just curious, has anyone in the pool been contacted?
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Yes. We were told to expect a class sometime in January. Still waiting to hear on details.
 

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