US Airways Pilot/FA Recall

[Question4U]

On another note. Are there any furloughed guys that haven't come back yet? had a buddy that's on voluntary, and he got his take it or leave it letter. Thought there were still guys out on involuntary that bypassed the 190???

If he is on voluntary he probably is getting offered something besides the 190. There are still a fair amount people out on furlough. You can bypass the 190 indefinitley.

 

[Crzipilot]

Interesting, as I thought you didn't have to come back until all the guys junior to you had been recalled, or in the voluntary case, all the other furloughes had been recalled. He's on contract till April 1 anyways. So doesn't matter

 

[2ndGenPSA]

Bid results?

When are the results for the 2011 bid supposed to be published? Any insider info? Are they going to be able to fill the 40 slots with all recalls?
Thanks!

 

[JudgeSmails218]

Latest bid results should be available tomorrow, the 7th. I think everyone that's currently furloughed will have a slot on the new bid if they want to come back at this time. Like someone else mentioned, you can indefinitely pass on 190 slots for recall.

 

[grog_sit_reserv]

It'll be interesting to see how this plays out with the West Furloughees.

 

[Question4U]

Latest bid results should be available tomorrow, the 7th. I think everyone that's currently furloughed will have a slot on the new bid if they want to come back at this time. Like someone else mentioned, you can indefinitely pass on 190 slots for recall.

Will anything besides the 190 be offered?

 

[Captzaahlie]

It'll be interesting to see how this plays out with the West Furloughees.

I agree.
Being almost at the bottom of the West seniority list
I have zero impact on how it all plays out and will
probably never come back. Doug's temp offer of coming back
to an 18 month seat lock in PHL for 41 bucks an hour AND
having to give up what tiny little bit of seniority was
just an insult as far as I was concerned. If I didn't have a
better offer I might have been less insulted but the whole
principal of the things smells IMHO.uke:

 

[psw757]

I agree.
Being almost at the bottom of the West seniority list
I have zero impact on how it all plays out and will
probably never come back. Doug's temp offer of coming back
to an 18 month seat lock in PHL for 41 bucks an hour AND
having to give up what tiny little bit of seniority was
just an insult as far as I was concerned. If I didn't have a
better offer I might have been less insulted but the whole
principal of the things smells IMHO.uke:

It isn't a temporary offer. If you are a west pilot and accept the 190 you are basically a new east employee that after 18 months can return to the west if you wish, assuming there is a position available at that time. You are given a new employee number and new date of longevity when making the switch. The whole thing is being handled the same way it was back in 2005 when some east pilots took a recall to the west, they are today still in phx. Also, if we ever get a single list you will reclaim the 10-15 numbers you lost.

 

[Captzaahlie]

It isn't a temporary offer. If you are a west pilot and accept the 190 you are basically a new east employee that after 18 months can return to the west if you wish, assuming there is a position available at that time. You are given a new employee number and new date of longevity when making the switch. The whole thing is being handled the same way it was back in 2005 when some east pilots took a recall to the west, they are today still in phx. Also, if we ever get a single list you will reclaim the 10-15 numbers you lost.

I meant temp by the 18 month part....
and what if positions don't become avail out
West for years?
(prob not likely but ya never know.. then it's gee thx dougie)

 

[MCDU]

Bid is out. Many open positions on group 2 airplanes.

M

 

[psw757]

I meant temp by the 18 month part....
and what if positions don't become avail out
West for years?
(prob not likely but ya never know.. then it's gee thx dougie)

Yeah, if u hope to return to the west it could be a bad deal because it may be a while. If you were a new hire put out west who wanted to be east then It is a great deal since you would now be an east employee. Just depends on where you want to be.

 

[dugan jones]

so much for the 12 month seat lock on the 190 huh? :laugh:

 

[zymotic]

so much for the 12 month seat lock on the 190 huh? :laugh:

Yes- the 4 most senior recently recalled guys were awarded group 2. Two airbus DCA, one 737 DCA and one CLT 737.

 

[Question4U]

Bid is out. Many open positions on group 2 airplanes.

M

Are group 2 going to be offered to furloughes?

 

[2ndGenPSA]

How will those open positions be filled? By the remaining furloughed pilots?

 

[Bad-Andy]

How will those open positions be filled? By the remaining furloughed pilots?

By returning EVLOA, Mil Leave, Med Leave, etc pilots. Rumor already is another bid to follow shortly after this one if not all of the Group 2 positions are filled by returning Leaves.

Dugan -- enjoy training again. This time try to stay awake for more than an hour a day....

 

[elguapo9]

Looks to me like the seat lock wasn't waived for most guys. Everyone I know bid for those slots and didn't get it.

 

[Tweaker]

Well those returning from some kind of leave are all senior to us pukes.

 

[zymotic]

Looks to me like the seat lock wasn't waived for most guys. Everyone I know bid for those slots and didn't get it.

Everyone you know must not have been senior enough to hold group 2. The four most senior recalled pilots were awarded group 2 and now hold the bottom positions in DC and CLT. That's as junior as group 2 went. It has nothing to do with waiving the seat lock and everything to do with seniority.

 

[2ndGenPSA]

But with some group 2 seats still vacant, wouldn't 190 guys have been awarded them, creating vacancies on the 190, if there were no seat lock?

 

[zymotic]

But with some group 2 seats still vacant, wouldn't 190 guys have been awarded them, creating vacancies on the 190, if there were no seat lock?

I don't know why there were some group 2 vacancies. I think Bad-Andy's guess above is probably the reason. I've heard letters are going out to EVLA pilots telling them it's their last chance to return. I do know the company wants to give those guys group 2 aircraft so that may be the reason they left some positions unfilled.

I just wanted to make it clear that 190 guys did have their training freeze waived.

 

[MCDU]

If they started sim training they get locked. The ones getting group 2 probably did not start Sim training. Usair has to lock you on the 190, otherwise you would never get anybody trained for the plane. Expect lots of bids with upward movement.


M

 

[zymotic]

If they started sim training they get locked. The ones getting group 2 probably did not start Sim training. Usair has to lock you on the 190, otherwise you would never get anybody trained for the plane. Expect lots of bids with upward movement.
Capt 190 has gone to prior furloughed pilots. May 1999.The funny thing is that the Nicolau award would put furloughed West pilots ahead of Active East Captains that were hired 17 after them. How times change.

M

No. The 4 190 guys awarded group 2 were fully trained and flying the line...and why don't you leave the East/West comments to another thread.

 

[MCDU]

No. The 4 190 guys awarded group 2 were fully trained and flying the line...and why don't you leave the East/West comments to another thread.

I fixed it.

M

 

[MCDU]

Yeah,Zymotic. Chris B. Is showing 190 on RSV and flying. Recalled to the 190 and now group 2. why was he trained so fast. Maybe he was still current. You got me?

M

 

[zymotic]

Yeah,Zymotic. Chris B. Is showing 190 on RSV and flying. Recalled to the 190 and now group 2. why was he trained so fast. Maybe he was still current. You got me?

M

Trained fast? He was recalled on Labor Day.

 

[elguapo9]

If they started sim training they get locked. The ones getting group 2 probably did not start Sim training. Usair has to lock you on the 190, otherwise you would never get anybody trained for the plane. Expect lots of bids with upward movement.


M

It's actually the other way around. The 4 that were cut loose had completed their training, while 10 guys I know are at home waiting for Systems to start on 12/16. The other people I know that bid for those slots are either in the sim now or completing OE.

 

[Tweaker]

Well, although I would have liked to have avoided a sentence in the shiitay of brotha on brotha violence, I am glad that we are not being frozen on this aircraft after all.

I am really excited about gettin' back in a cockpit. This should be a nice first experience, as this E-190 seems like something designed by Fisher-Price. Most evra thang is automatical! Me likey!

Cheese steaks and rape for everybody! Homebrews at the crack shack!

 

[Captzaahlie]

tweak you always crack me up you need your own blog....

 

[Bad-Andy]

But with some group 2 seats still vacant, wouldn't 190 guys have been awarded them, creating vacancies on the 190, if there were no seat lock?

Straight from the union -- the Group 2 positions that were left open are for the returning Leaves of Absence. The company had 2 choices -- 1.) run the bid the way they did and leave a variety of Group 2 positions open in anticipation of those guys coming back or 2.) hold off on the bid until those guys were back. The company needed other positions filled. So they opted for choice #1. Any positions that aren't filled by returning LOA's will be filled on the next bid.

At least on this bid, the seat lock does not apply. Could it change on the next bid, of course. But SO FAR, no seat lock... It just happens that the rest of us aren't senior enough to hold group 2, yet...