US Airways Pilot/FA Recall

[psw757]

Do the new hires that were put out west get bypassed for east newhires?

new hires that were put out west will be recalled before the company hires off the street

 

[psw757]

So Dori indicated there would be a class of 15 in November? By the way, if what you said earlier is correct, and Bewley is the junior guy in the October class, then there are 16 guys junior to him on the East list. Also, if there is a November class, then they will again start at the top of the list to fill the class. Its anyone's guess how many that previously bypassed will change their mind and take the recall.

I had last heard the class in nov will be a larger class of 30-40 and this includes the extra 15 that they were trying to squeeze into the october class.

 

[zymotic]

I had last heard the class in nov will be a larger class of 30-40 and this includes the extra 15 that they were trying to squeeze into the october class.

Next class is OCT 25. You referring to that one? Doesn't sound like anyone knows if there will be a NOV class or not.

 

[psw757]

Next class is OCT 25. You referring to that one? Doesn't sound like anyone knows if there will be a NOV class or not.

My sources as of yesterday were saying that there will be a NOV class and it will be in the 30-40 pilot range. Things have been changing daily with these recalls.

 

[zymotic]

My sources as of yesterday were saying that there will be a NOV class and it will be in the 30-40 pilot range. Things have been changing daily with these recalls.

I wonder if they are considering moving the OCT class to NOV.

 

[Tweaker]

15 new recalls

This just in...

Additional round of certified letters out last week - 15 new recalls (yes, Irene, they start at the bottom of the list)

There are only 44 still furloughed and 30 of them have bypassed twice previously. Do the maff and some lucky pile it from the West may be joining us!

Class will be 11/15/2010 - in CLT

I best get my medical. My lumbago is in remission and my ciattica is well under control. Now, if I could just find some good holistic treatment for my diabetus and anal fissures I will be up to snuff.

When I return from lunch (afternoon, as I better practice at being a responsible employed citizen) I shall be pouring one of my crowning creations.
Belgian Witbeer "Aaaghhhghh!" - Barney

 

[zymotic]

This just in...

Additional round of certified letters out last week - 15 new recalls (yes, Irene, they start at the bottom of the list)

There are only 44 still furloughed and 30 of them have bypassed twice previously. Do the maff and some lucky pile it from the West may be joining us!

Class will be 11/15/2010 - in CLT

I best get my medical. My lumbago is in remission and my ciattica is well under control. Now, if I could just find some good holistic treatment for my diabetus and anal fissures I will be up to snuff.

They must start at the top of the list for each class. There is unlimited bypassing in the 190. Starting at the bottom of the list would be if they had offered a group 2 aircraft, everyone had bypassed the class all the way down the list before filling it, and they had to start from the bottom back up to fill it. At that point each guy who didn't take the list would lose his recall rights. As long as the transition agreement is in effect this will never happen as one can bypass the 190 with no repercussions.

 

[Tweaker]

All correct.

Endlessly bypassing the E-190 would not have repercussions, but it would have a consequence. You could hold you head high, in the knowledge that your life was going better than to have to work at a "legacy" airline and earn Mesa (sucks) wages. So there's that.

 

[av8tor76]

i thought the additional 15 were for IRO positions..not 190.

 

[Trogdor]

The additional 15 is to cover IRO positions on the wide bodies. Obviously those are upward movements on the seniority list, hence more 190 FOs needed.

 

[av8tor76]

The additional 15 is to cover IRO positions on the wide bodies. Obviously those are upward movements on the seniority list, hence more 190 FOs needed.

right..but absent another bid, i forsee many of the 30 bypassers accepting a widebody IRO position.

 

[psw757]

right..but absent another bid, i forsee many of the 30 bypassers accepting a widebody IRO position.

There must be another bid in the works soon because I have heard that the latest letters for the next 15 state the recall is for the 190.

 

[zymotic]

right..but absent another bid, i forsee many of the 30 bypassers accepting a widebody IRO position.

Recalls are for 190 positions only. If recalls continue at a reasonable rate, then recently recalled pilots may be allowed to bid another aircraft if the company decides to waive the 12 month training freeze.

 

[Dornier 335]

So how much longer until the poolies are going to be contacted?

 

[zymotic]

So how much longer until the poolies are going to be contacted?

Impossible to predict. All East and West must be offered and bypass a class. If they keep offering only 190 positions I would think they would get through the list quicker than if they start offering group 2. If they offer group 2 more will come back because they must accept the recall when they start from the bottom of the list or lose recall rights forever.

Either way rumors abound about lots of additional pilots to be recalled/hired next year but we all know how rumors work. Maybe some truth to them or maybe not.

Just too many pieces of the puzzle. For your sake and ours I hope things bust wide open soon!

 

[Tweaker]

Quote:
Originally Posted by av8tor76
right..but absent another bid, i forsee many of the 30 bypassers accepting a widebody IRO position.

Recalls are for 190 positions only. If recalls continue at a reasonable rate, then recently recalled pilots may be allowed to bid another aircraft if the company decides to waive the 12 month training freeze.

FAIL FAIL FAIL

Promptly ignore all of the above posts. The company ain't gonna waive crap out of the benevolence of their hearts. Come on now.

They are gonna spend upwards of $50,000 in training costs to get each of the 104 FO's typed and trained on the E-190. They are then going to make every last one of them rot in the right seat of that aircraft until the very limit the CBA permits them to.

I cannot believe there is someone who still thinks any airline management team would do something above and beyond a CBA limitation that would result in an unnecessary negative effect on the bottom line, just to "help a brotha out."

Insert facepalm ...mhea.

Someone here is in need of watching this...http://forums.flightinfo.com/showthread.php?t=136499

 

[zymotic]

Quote:
Originally Posted by av8tor76
right..but absent another bid, i forsee many of the 30 bypassers accepting a widebody IRO position.




FAIL FAIL FAIL

Promptly ignore all of the above posts. The company ain't gonna waive crap out of the benevolence of their hearts. Come on now.

They are gonna spend upwards of $50,000 in training costs to get each of the 104 FO's typed and trained on the E-190. They are then going to make every last one of them rot in the right seat of that aircraft until the very limit of the CBA permits them to.

I cannot believe there is someone who still thinks any airline management team would do something above and beyond a CBA limitation that would result in an unnecessary negative effect on the bottom line, just to "help a brotha out."

Insert facepalm ...mhea

I keep in touch with many of my classmates who are currently in training. Every indication they have been given by company personnel indicate the company will waive the 12 month training freeze. I agree they don't have to and I would be somewhat surprised if they did. However, that is what they seem to be strongly indicating.

Take it for what it is worth.

By the way, the recent EVLA returns were given group 2 aircraft even through there were no openings. The company decided to give them what they could hold regardless of the lack of openings. The company had every right to place them on the 190 but chose not to.

 

[Tweaker]

Well, sir in that case, I have reason to continue to view your statements with both esteem and respect. Permit me to remain doubtful and astonished about this coming to fruition.

I have a strong suspicion that the long 2 year famine is about to more resemble a feast, even if a new contract is not to be soon forthcoming (it isn't). Your statements are further evidence of such. Let's pray it comes true!

 

[zymotic]

Well, sir in that case, I have reason to continue to view your statements with both esteem and respect. Permit me to remain doubtful and astonished about this coming to fruition.

I have a strong suspicion that the long 2 year famine is about to more resemble a feast, even if a new contract is not to be soon forthcoming (it isn't). Your statements are further evidence of such. Let's pray it comes true!

Just be clear- I wonder why the company would waive the seat lock when they don't have to and it would seem to cost them additional training costs and tie up pilots in training when they could be flying the line. Nevertheless, they seem to indicate they will waive the seat lock. We shall find out if and when it becomes an issue. If they don't, 12 months goes by pretty quick.

 

[Tweaker]

Not in PHL when you want to be anyplace but, including with your young child. Not at all.