US Air To Address Investor Concerns

[WSurf]

It could be the time to admit the tragic mistake, acknowledge the disease and surgically remove the cancer.

If they could somehow isolate and pare down the east operation and transfer the most profitable aspects of it (assets, equipment, etc.) and dump the garbage and start again, it would be the best move in the long run.

The U carcass was as dead as fried chicken and hopelessly destroyed by their management and all Parker did was attach AWA to the diseased mess. Make some painful and difficult decisions now, get through a fairly short transition period and rebuild.

Attempting to make something out of the old U, whether as part of AWA or seperately is like trying to make a silk purse out of a sows bunghole.

Good luck AWA...........Parker screwed up. But he hopefully taught everyone a lesson (Like AMR did with TWA). Hopelessly diseased airlines should be allowed to run their course and flop. It's better to participate in the fire sale after the fact, then chop down a wall of the burning house and try move your good things in.

Tuff merger. AWA (known as America Worst Airlines) has never had it good. Pilots that got hired there used it as a stepping stone before 9/11. Now to merge it with a pilot group that once had it all, but had it all taken away. Well, you can kinda see the writting on the wall.

I remember the United pilots worried once about buying AWA. Saying that there pilots weren't in there league.

Your right, bad merger choice. They looked only at the route structure. Not the employee structure.

 

[eaglefly]

Tuff merger. AWA (known as America Worst Airlines) has never had it good. Pilots that got hired there used it as a stepping stone before 9/11. Now to merge it with a pilot group that once had it all, but had it all taken away. Well, you can kinda see the writting on the wall.

I remember the United pilots worried once about buying AWA. Saying that there pilots weren't in there league.

Your right, bad merger choice. They looked only at the route structure. Not the employee structure.

........and they'll never properly marry these two operations. Best bet is to mitigate the damage (however painful) and cut loose of most of the U baggage.

At least that way, a solid foundation for the future exists. They'll have a chance. As it is now, it's hopeless.

 

[weasel_lips]

........and they'll never properly marry these two operations. Best bet is to mitigate the damage (however painful) and cut loose of most of the U baggage.

At least that way, a solid foundation for the future exists. They'll have a chance. As it is now, it's hopeless.

Yes, go back to Eagle ASAP! Your future was just sooooooo darn bright prior to the merger.

 

[IronCityBlue]

so why would bedford be pissing himself?

Because he's been thumping his chest about airlines loosening their scope and providing him with the opportunity to be the *gag* 190 outsource provider of choice. So far no airline has, and its obvious that he really thinks it is a significant possibility for him. A major 190 stratedgy at USAirways going forward I'm sure looks like a golden opportunity for him.

 

[dugan jones]

Because he's been thumping his chest about airlines loosening their scope and providing him with the opportunity to be the *gag* 190 outsource provider of choice. So far no airline has, and its obvious that he really thinks it is a significant possibility for him. A major 190 stratedgy at USAirways going forward I'm sure looks like a golden opportunity for him.

the 190 is flown by us airways mainline

 

[stb]

the 190 is flown by us airways mainline

For now it is, but will it a couple of months from now?

Doug would sell them like MidAtlantic and other gate assets were sold off to raise money for "East" USAirways. With oil at $100 a barrel it is any bodies guess.

 

[Green]

you don't understand the situation very well. Any 190 flown in US Airways colors MUST be flown by mainline pilots per our contract. Sure doug could sell the 190's but if he does they won't be flown under US Airways colors. At Us Airways the E190 is a mainline airplane, just like the A330 is a mainline airplane. Doesn't matter what Doug wants to do. I'm sure he'd like to furlough the whole airline and outsource the flying to Republic but fortunately he can't. We have more than our fair share of problems at LCC but 190's at express is not one of them.

 

[vetrider]

Tuff merger. AWA (known as America Worst Airlines) has never had it good. Pilots that got hired there used it as a stepping stone before 9/11. Now to merge it with a pilot group that once had it all, but had it all taken away. Well, you can kinda see the writting on the wall.

I remember the United pilots worried once about buying AWA. Saying that there pilots weren't in there league.

Your right, bad merger choice. They looked only at the route structure. Not the employee structure.

The old peter principle. Yep, that has a lot to do with it allright.

Just like piloting skills, bankruptcy doesn't erode ego either.

 

[stb]

you don't understand the situation very well. Any 190 flown in US Airways colors MUST be flown by mainline pilots per our contract. Sure doug could sell the 190's but if he does they won't be flown under US Airways colors. At Us Airways the E190 is a mainline airplane, just like the A330 is a mainline airplane. Doesn't matter what Doug wants to do. I'm sure he'd like to furlough the whole airline and outsource the flying to Republic but fortunately he can't. We have more than our fair share of problems at LCC but 190's at express is not one of them.

Just like the No Furlough in the previous contract. The mainline pilots for anything over 70 seats, insert Mid-Atlantic because of the LOA 93.

I truly do hope the 190's stay at mainline, Delta pilots screwed the rj issue back in the early 90's, but any LOA that comes down and helps the senior pilots will be passed.

 

[Prog 2/2]

Good luck AWA...........Parker screwed up. But he hopefully taught everyone a lesson (Like AMR did with TWA). Hopelessly diseased airlines should be allowed to run their course and flop. It's better to participate in the fire sale after the fact, then chop down a wall of the burning house and try move your good things in.

You should really do a little research on the AA/TWA deal, and then compare it to this one.

You'd be surprised how dissimiliar they are, and how little Carty expended for the assets of TWA, and where and when those assets directly benefited the AA bottom line.

It may not have been a boon to AA, but it was far from the apocalyptic event most AA'ers think it was.