US Air To Address Investor Concerns

[jmreii]

I believe this article does in fact lay out the plan that our management has come up with - hire someone with experience at running a different crappy airline, throw some money at the shabby interiors, "look into" better in-flight entertainment, new meals that are generally not crappy instead of always crappy, replace 737's with 190's, and grow the international side at a snails pace. 20% growth on a 15 a/c fleet is all of 3 planes...but it sounds good when referenced as a %. Typical froth from Kirby.

The plan is pathetic through and through. I'm scared that this is in fact the best they can come up with.

This airline can only be righted with leadership that motivates employees to care. That will take:

1) More money - not some skewed fantasy of industry average. This applies to all workgroups.

2) Significant investment in our product that gives employees something to be proud of and defend, not be embarrased by.

Doug and team are subprime borrowers to the "T". They bought a crappy dying disgruntled airline with a "teaser rate" mortgage and thought it was a great investment. Now that the payment has "shockingly" gone up, they are scrambling. A little due dilligence and firm leadership in lieu of cutesy newsletters and perpetual cheapness could have steared them into a better scenario than they find themselves today.

They keep band-aiding symptoms when the real problem is our passengers are regularly confronted with employees so disenchanted and disgruntled that they could care less what kind of experience the customers have. Even when we try it seems the system is rigged against us.

No one gives a sh^t and you have to ask yourself - should we really expect more when we're given the bare minimum in tools and compensation?? That's a recipe for failure and it's exactly what's happening.

Until Doug sends a clear message that he intends to invest in and lead this company forward (not just band-aid the never ending list of problems), we will be at the bottom of every list and metric an analyst might use - bet on it.

You hit the nail so hard on the head, it went all the way through to the other side.

 

[dugan jones]

I bet Brian Bedford just peed hmself a little bit in excitement. "Its really happening!!! This could be the year!!!!!" :laugh:

so why would bedford be pissing himself?

 

[WSurf]

Hmmmmmm,

Happy Employee's = Productive Employee's = Happy Stock Holders and Investors.

Douggie, Start with your Employee's and the rest will fall right in place! Did I miss something?

 

[metrolet]

That would make too much sense.

 

[eaglefly]

I believe this article does in fact lay out the plan that our management has come up with - hire someone with experience at running a different crappy airline, throw some money at the shabby interiors, "look into" better in-flight entertainment, new meals that are generally not crappy instead of always crappy, replace 737's with 190's, and grow the international side at a snails pace. 20% growth on a 15 a/c fleet is all of 3 planes...but it sounds good when referenced as a %. Typical froth from Kirby.

The plan is pathetic through and through. I'm scared that this is in fact the best they can come up with.

This airline can only be righted with leadership that motivates employees to care. That will take:

1) More money - not some skewed fantasy of industry average. This applies to all workgroups.

2) Significant investment in our product that gives employees something to be proud of and defend, not be embarrased by.

Doug and team are subprime borrowers to the "T". They bought a crappy dying disgruntled airline with a "teaser rate" mortgage and thought it was a great investment. Now that the payment has "shockingly" gone up, they are scrambling. A little due dilligence and firm leadership in lieu of cutesy newsletters and perpetual cheapness could have steared them into a better scenario than they find themselves today.

They keep band-aiding symptoms when the real problem is our passengers are regularly confronted with employees so disenchanted and disgruntled that they could care less what kind of experience the customers have. Even when we try it seems the system is rigged against us.

No one gives a sh^t and you have to ask yourself - should we really expect more when we're given the bare minimum in tools and compensation?? That's a recipe for failure and it's exactly what's happening.

Until Doug sends a clear message that he intends to invest in and lead this company forward (not just band-aid the never ending list of problems), we will be at the bottom of every list and metric an analyst might use - bet on it.

It could be the time to admit the tragic mistake, acknowledge the disease and surgically remove the cancer.

If they could somehow isolate and pare down the east operation and transfer the most profitable aspects of it (assets, equipment, etc.) and dump the garbage and start again, it would be the best move in the long run.

The U carcass was as dead as fried chicken and hopelessly destroyed by their management and all Parker did was attach AWA to the diseased mess. Make some painful and difficult decisions now, get through a fairly short transition period and rebuild.

Attempting to make something out of the old U, whether as part of AWA or seperately is like trying to make a silk purse out of a sows bunghole.

Good luck AWA...........Parker screwed up. But he hopefully taught everyone a lesson (Like AMR did with TWA). Hopelessly diseased airlines should be allowed to run their course and flop. It's better to participate in the fire sale after the fact, then chop down a wall of the burning house and try move your good things in.

 

[WSurf]

It could be the time to admit the tragic mistake, acknowledge the disease and surgically remove the cancer.

If they could somehow isolate and pare down the east operation and transfer the most profitable aspects of it (assets, equipment, etc.) and dump the garbage and start again, it would be the best move in the long run.

The U carcass was as dead as fried chicken and hopelessly destroyed by their management and all Parker did was attach AWA to the diseased mess. Make some painful and difficult decisions now, get through a fairly short transition period and rebuild.

Attempting to make something out of the old U, whether as part of AWA or seperately is like trying to make a silk purse out of a sows bunghole.

Good luck AWA...........Parker screwed up. But he hopefully taught everyone a lesson (Like AMR did with TWA). Hopelessly diseased airlines should be allowed to run their course and flop. It's better to participate in the fire sale after the fact, then chop down a wall of the burning house and try move your good things in.

Tuff merger. AWA (known as America Worst Airlines) has never had it good. Pilots that got hired there used it as a stepping stone before 9/11. Now to merge it with a pilot group that once had it all, but had it all taken away. Well, you can kinda see the writting on the wall.

I remember the United pilots worried once about buying AWA. Saying that there pilots weren't in there league.

Your right, bad merger choice. They looked only at the route structure. Not the employee structure.

 

[eaglefly]

Tuff merger. AWA (known as America Worst Airlines) has never had it good. Pilots that got hired there used it as a stepping stone before 9/11. Now to merge it with a pilot group that once had it all, but had it all taken away. Well, you can kinda see the writting on the wall.

I remember the United pilots worried once about buying AWA. Saying that there pilots weren't in there league.

Your right, bad merger choice. They looked only at the route structure. Not the employee structure.

........and they'll never properly marry these two operations. Best bet is to mitigate the damage (however painful) and cut loose of most of the U baggage.

At least that way, a solid foundation for the future exists. They'll have a chance. As it is now, it's hopeless.

 

[weasel_lips]

........and they'll never properly marry these two operations. Best bet is to mitigate the damage (however painful) and cut loose of most of the U baggage.

At least that way, a solid foundation for the future exists. They'll have a chance. As it is now, it's hopeless.

Yes, go back to Eagle ASAP! Your future was just sooooooo darn bright prior to the merger.

 

[IronCityBlue]

so why would bedford be pissing himself?

Because he's been thumping his chest about airlines loosening their scope and providing him with the opportunity to be the *gag* 190 outsource provider of choice. So far no airline has, and its obvious that he really thinks it is a significant possibility for him. A major 190 stratedgy at USAirways going forward I'm sure looks like a golden opportunity for him.

 

[dugan jones]

Because he's been thumping his chest about airlines loosening their scope and providing him with the opportunity to be the *gag* 190 outsource provider of choice. So far no airline has, and its obvious that he really thinks it is a significant possibility for him. A major 190 stratedgy at USAirways going forward I'm sure looks like a golden opportunity for him.

the 190 is flown by us airways mainline

 

[stb]

the 190 is flown by us airways mainline

For now it is, but will it a couple of months from now?

Doug would sell them like MidAtlantic and other gate assets were sold off to raise money for "East" USAirways. With oil at $100 a barrel it is any bodies guess.

 

[Green]

you don't understand the situation very well. Any 190 flown in US Airways colors MUST be flown by mainline pilots per our contract. Sure doug could sell the 190's but if he does they won't be flown under US Airways colors. At Us Airways the E190 is a mainline airplane, just like the A330 is a mainline airplane. Doesn't matter what Doug wants to do. I'm sure he'd like to furlough the whole airline and outsource the flying to Republic but fortunately he can't. We have more than our fair share of problems at LCC but 190's at express is not one of them.

 

[vetrider]

Tuff merger. AWA (known as America Worst Airlines) has never had it good. Pilots that got hired there used it as a stepping stone before 9/11. Now to merge it with a pilot group that once had it all, but had it all taken away. Well, you can kinda see the writting on the wall.

I remember the United pilots worried once about buying AWA. Saying that there pilots weren't in there league.

Your right, bad merger choice. They looked only at the route structure. Not the employee structure.

The old peter principle. Yep, that has a lot to do with it allright.

Just like piloting skills, bankruptcy doesn't erode ego either.

 

[stb]

you don't understand the situation very well. Any 190 flown in US Airways colors MUST be flown by mainline pilots per our contract. Sure doug could sell the 190's but if he does they won't be flown under US Airways colors. At Us Airways the E190 is a mainline airplane, just like the A330 is a mainline airplane. Doesn't matter what Doug wants to do. I'm sure he'd like to furlough the whole airline and outsource the flying to Republic but fortunately he can't. We have more than our fair share of problems at LCC but 190's at express is not one of them.

Just like the No Furlough in the previous contract. The mainline pilots for anything over 70 seats, insert Mid-Atlantic because of the LOA 93.

I truly do hope the 190's stay at mainline, Delta pilots screwed the rj issue back in the early 90's, but any LOA that comes down and helps the senior pilots will be passed.

 

[Prog 2/2]

Good luck AWA...........Parker screwed up. But he hopefully taught everyone a lesson (Like AMR did with TWA). Hopelessly diseased airlines should be allowed to run their course and flop. It's better to participate in the fire sale after the fact, then chop down a wall of the burning house and try move your good things in.

You should really do a little research on the AA/TWA deal, and then compare it to this one.

You'd be surprised how dissimiliar they are, and how little Carty expended for the assets of TWA, and where and when those assets directly benefited the AA bottom line.

It may not have been a boon to AA, but it was far from the apocalyptic event most AA'ers think it was.