United Transmissions

[kwick]

Asking for direct is a safety issue? Really?

Or requesting opposite direction takeoffs
at LGA. Not unsafe, just stupid.


Stay classy!

 

[kwick]

I've never understood the community headset thing. Even when I was a poor commuter dog flying clapped-out Metros, I still sprang for my own headset. I'm no germaphobe, but sharing a headset with your entire seniority list would be right up there with sharing your ChapStick in my book. Plus the company-issued headsets inevitably are among the worst quality because they go for the bottom-dollar.

Don't be such cheap-f'ers. A headset is a tool of our trade. Save your hearing and help out everyone else on the frequency.

If you can afford to buy your job/ type rating
you should be able to buy a fancy headset.

 

[Roomwithaview]

I was a ear spike guy with foam plug in the other for years. Did the QC2 until the kernals f$cked up that deal. I now use DC X over the ears. Works pretty good and its not a thousand bucks. Hearing gets to be a concern after a lifetime of exposure to loud noises.

Do yourself a favor and take care of your ears. Not wearing hearing protection when you fly is like welding without a hood.

 

[Tejas-Jet]

Some of us are stuck in a hotel on Labor Day. Hope you are enjoying your time off.

I enjoyed mine, and I'm jr in MDW. Grilled some steaks, made some potato salad and baked some beans. Had some neighbors over, drank too many beers.

Man it was good....too bad you had to fly. I block bid my Vayyyy-Kayyy too. This Jr guy has Christmas off....yaay for me !

 

[StopNTSing]

I enjoyed mine, and I'm jr in MDW. Grilled some steaks, made some potato salad and baked some beans. Had some neighbors over, drank too many beers.

Man it was good....too bad you had to fly. I block bid my Vayyyy-Kayyy too. This Jr guy has Christmas off....yaay for me !

Bully for you, I guess...

 

[Quimby]

Or requesting opposite direction takeoffs
at LGA. Not unsafe, just stupid.


Stay classy!

Nobody is asking for that at LGA. You're making things up.

 

[Flopgut]

Ain't nothin' manlier than bein' deaf, eatin' squirrel, buyin' clothes at Home Depot, and writin' like this, eh flopgut?

I guess everyone else has "low-T" if I read that correctly a few pages ago.

P.S. well made crepes taste great.

"United" is two different airlines that have been using the same radios for over 25 years. I don't believe we're the problem at all. What's going on is too many pilots have forgotten how to communicate. Pilots need to think about what they're going to say, put the mic to their mouth and speak normally. Then stop talking. Way too many pilots yammer, jabber, giggle, and elaborate with ATC in the US. Check in, then shut up!! F-ing SWA can NOT make one transmission without trying to obtain something from ATC. Every keyed mic has to get them something. A direct an altitude or a "good day" or a joke or a "how ya doing". They love to hear themselves talk (literally! They love their own voices' sound in these acoustically perfect headsets) and their mgt wants them to talk. It's like the bum who walks up to you and wants a quarter. He asks a thousand people a thousand times and it's the easiest quarter he ever makes even it's gets just 1 in 10. This is a RADIO. It's for ATC. This is suppose to be different than visiting with your wife, or broker, or whoever on a telephone or online. This problem would go away if everyone used the exact same headset. AND treated the radio like it's for communication and not used for building up your paycheck or company's bottom line. That's one problem that United does NOT have (might be the only one) so we should not be the ones changing. Ours is the example that should be followed.

 

[waveflyer]

I know I certainly like to hear my own voice. But,....if you had my voice flop....

So you're saying your background noise and side tones are would be less annoying if we would stop talking and saying hello?
That makes sense.

Hey, make sure you ask about the rides into Denver though

(We all know this one's true!^^^^)

 

[Capn Butthead]

Haha Wave!!!! Let's see...it's Denver, it's windy with white puffy things all around...I think as a good pilot I think I can figure our it's bumpy! Flop just asks because he's worried about his ear spike falling, combover flying all over the place and the hemmrhoids are flaring up because not enough fiber! Time to bid Cleveland! Oh wait....

 

[Mach 80]

Most controllers would rather not have the "How ya doin?" and also the "Have a good day" or "Have a good weekend" or the pathetic "Have a good one!". They just want the necessary information without the nonsense. When they give you a frequency change, just read it back and drop the useless pleasantries. They hear that useless, meaningless, insincere crap over and over and over again. Some years ago when controllers could ride jumpseat, one asked me why on Earth pilots feel the need to tell the controller they are talking to "....is with you". As this controller said. ------ what a useless, redundant, time wasting phrase, only topped in stupid uselessness with ".....checking in with you".

 

[DCAA320]

Dude, is it that time of the month?

 

[Dan Roman]

"United" is two different airlines that have been using the same radios for over 25 years. I don't believe we're the problem at all. What's going on is too many pilots have forgotten how to communicate. Pilots need to think about what they're going to say, put the mic to their mouth and speak normally. Then stop talking. Way too many pilots yammer, jabber, giggle, and elaborate with ATC in the US. Check in, then shut up!! F-ing SWA can NOT make one transmission without trying to obtain something from ATC. Every keyed mic has to get them something. A direct an altitude or a "good day" or a joke or a "how ya doing". They love to hear themselves talk (literally! They love their own voices' sound in these acoustically perfect headsets) and their mgt wants them to talk. It's like the bum who walks up to you and wants a quarter. He asks a thousand people a thousand times and it's the easiest quarter he ever makes even it's gets just 1 in 10. This is a RADIO. It's for ATC. This is suppose to be different than visiting with your wife, or broker, or whoever on a telephone or online. This problem would go away if everyone used the exact same headset. AND treated the radio like it's for communication and not used for building up your paycheck or company's bottom line. That's one problem that United does NOT have (might be the only one) so we should not be the ones changing. Ours is the example that should be followed.

Flop dude...really? United is better than anyone else at talking on the radio? Are you aware of the term delusional? I guess you have never flown the Pacific and listened to 123.45 between the west coast and Hawaii.
Reality check dude, most pilots are fine but there are a few who do sound pretty stupid. It's not airline specific. You would have died if you heard me the other day.....early morning JFK arrival and they asked me if I could make a certain intersection at a much lower altitude. I said I could but I couldn't bring the airplane with me. The controller seemed to appreciate it and if it gets under the skin of the anal guys so much the better!

 

[Dan Roman]

I was a ear spike guy with foam plug in the other for years. Did the QC2 until the kernals f$cked up that deal. I now use DC X over the ears. Works pretty good and its not a thousand bucks. Hearing gets to be a concern after a lifetime of exposure to loud noises.

Do yourself a favor and take care of your ears. Not wearing hearing protection when you fly is like welding without a hood.

See Room, you can say something constructive, it's not that hard!
Good point

 

[Dornier 335]

CPDLC transmissions are in ALL CAPS, there's nothing i can do... Sorry!

Not in UK airspace! Sorry mate, now keep reading back your ONHs and OFEs!!

 

[Dornier 335]

Most controllers would rather not have the "How ya doin?" and also the "Have a good day" or "Have a good weekend" or the pathetic "Have a good one!". They just want the necessary information without the nonsense. When they give you a frequency change, just read it back and drop the useless pleasantries. They hear that useless, meaningless, insincere crap over and over and over again. Some years ago when controllers could ride jumpseat, one asked me why on Earth pilots feel the need to tell the controller they are talking to "....is with you". As this controller said. ------ what a useless, redundant, time wasting phrase, only topped in stupid uselessness with ".....checking in with you".

M80, it's simple. It's called the human element.

Years ago, when I was in the process to get my now EASA ATP I had to take two exams for the Radio Telephony Licence (even spelled with c) with the UK CAA. I passed the tests flawlessly, but the examiner inquired why I didn't use the occasional salutation. "At the end of the day a little politeness does not hurt". So if a CAA examiner/ a Brit is ok with it, it's good enough for me.

Listening to ATC in non-English airspace it seems to be the courtesy to greet and bid farewell in the local language when the transmission are in English.

Bottom line: Use proper phraseology with a little politeness!

Adieu!

 

[Flopgut]

Flop dude...really? United is better than anyone else at talking on the radio? Are you aware of the term delusional? I guess you have never flown the Pacific and listened to 123.45 between the west coast and Hawaii.
Reality check dude, most pilots are fine but there are a few who do sound pretty stupid. It's not airline specific. You would have died if you heard me the other day.....early morning JFK arrival and they asked me if I could make a certain intersection at a much lower altitude. I said I could but I couldn't bring the airplane with me. The controller seemed to appreciate it and if it gets under the skin of the anal guys so much the better!

Flown the Pacific quite a bit lately Dan. And the Atlantic and way down South America. You done those recently? Ever been to Brazil? A little (very little) humor and levity is ok every once in a while (that's a good one btw, so you made it count) in the US. But it doesn't work in areas where youre struggling for basic understanding. It's unfortunate, but chippy and stupid SWA-speak has become the norm in the US. We're to the point the required stuff is ignored. Shoot we're halfway to being the non standard third world country everybody hates to operate in! No one at United needs to buy a headset. ATC com needs to be simple ATC com It should not have to emulate silly conversation acoustics like these goofballs use on their xbox playing world of Warcraft

 

[waveflyer]

Nice flop.
What does any of that have to do with united sounding like crap over the air?

 

[Flopgut]

Nice flop.
What does any of that have to do with united sounding like crap over the air?

Easy: You're listening incorrectly. Park your Bose and use the equipment the airplane was designed for. And then quit talking so much.

 

[waveflyer]

So we can ALL sound like sh/t??

Now why would I not wear the Bose I own? Bc you don't like them?
Why would I care what you like?

I like my ears thank you, no matter your moral imperative

 

[Flopgut]

So we can ALL sound like sh/t??

Now why would I not wear the Bose I own? Bc you don't like them?
Why would I care what you like?

I like my ears thank you, no matter your moral imperative

United isn't just United at this point. It's also Continental. You also said Allegiant was loud and uncomfortable in your ears. I think you're the problem Wave. You're not listening correctly.

I've only spent about 1/3 of my career in the 737. The MD80 was quiet and 756 isn't too bad either. You're the one stuck in the 737, deal with it and stop complaining.

 

[Capn Butthead]

Spoken like a true "seasoned Veteran" I love flying with guys like you! Such a joy sitting there looking out the window because your pea sized brain can't listen and read a USA today at the same time! And you take a check list to take a leak because you can't figure out how to do it on your own. And telling at your wife on your 1998 cell phone that works half the time because she put the blue towels on top of the white ones...I'm sure you are pure pleasure to fly with flop!

 

[Ex737Driver]

Spoken like a true "seasoned Veteran" I love flying with guys like you! Such a joy sitting there looking out the window because your pea sized brain can't listen and read a USA today at the same time! And you take a check list to take a leak because you can't figure out how to do it on your own. And telling at your wife on your 1998 cell phone that works half the time because she put the blue towels on top of the white ones...I'm sure you are pure pleasure to fly with flop!

Easy man......it wasn't us that went on a 5 minute tirade on fatties and fags with a hot mike.

 

[Capn Butthead]

Haha! Imagine if flop had a stuck mike some of the good stuff that would come out! It would be a treat I'm sure......with a annoying whine in the background because of the old headset

 

[labbats]

Wear what you want but please just use phraseology of a professional.

Nothing worse than trying to get a word in for weather and someone is using sentences. The better pilots seem to use the FAR/AIM terminology and succinct language to say the same as someone else "checking in with you at FL370".

 

[eaglesview]

United isn't just United at this point. It's also Continental. You also said Allegiant was loud and uncomfortable in your ears. I think you're the problem Wave. You're not listening correctly.

I've only spent about 1/3 of my career in the 737. The MD80 was quiet and 756 isn't too bad either. You're the one stuck in the 737, deal with it and stop complaining.

Flops... first off why do you listen to yahoos who think their pilot group is somehow superior to any other group. that's your first mistake.

What does United isn't just United anymore mean????. CAL and UAL are dead....long gone. We are left with UCH.

PS I am using the David Clarks in the Guppy. If the F/O has an headset then a couple of rubber bands make for a very quiet and comfortable trip.

 

[waveflyer]

Wear what you want but please just use phraseology of a professional.

Nothing worse than trying to get a word in for weather and someone is using sentences. The better pilots seem to use the FAR/AIM terminology and succinct language to say the same as someone else "checking in with you at FL370".

No, the best pilots know time and place and don't get wrapped around the axle about the small stuff

Are you the guy who goes through the buildup because he can't get a word in?

 

[labbats]

No, the best pilots know time and place and don't get wrapped around the axle about the small stuff

Are you the guy who goes through the buildup because he can't get a word in?

Absolutely. It gives me an excuse to comb my mustache and pull up my cowboy boots afterwards.

 

[Flopgut]

Flops... first off why do you listen to yahoos who think their pilot group is somehow superior to any other group. that's your first mistake.

What does United isn't just United anymore mean????. CAL and UAL are dead....long gone. We are left with UCH.

PS I am using the David Clarks in the Guppy. If the F/O has an headset then a couple of rubber bands make for a very quiet and comfortable trip.

Why: They're complaining about a single airlines' radios and this is still very much two different fleets. So it's BS. I do get your point on unity. I'm trying.

PS: are you using the DC Pro X? I'm thinking about getting those.

 

[Shrek]

Try harder.

 

[eaglesview]

Why: They're complaining about a single airlines' radios and this is still very much two different fleets. So it's BS. I do get your point on unity. I'm trying.

PS: are you using the DC Pro X? I'm thinking about getting those.

As for your first paragraph, I don't know. Being one that " crossed over" believe me we, the pilots of UCH, spend a lot of energy complaining about what is different between the two sub airlines. Believe it or not there is a lot that is the same. The further away from the merger we get, the more we cross over the better off we will all be.

I heard an interesting analogy explaining our merger. Airline A brought a Porsche to the merger. Airline B brought a top of the line Land Rover to the merger. Our idiots management team thought " hey I like that car but the tires on that land rover are better...let's put them on the Porsche. ( best from both airlines right??.). Obviously it didn't work.

Yes I am using the DC Pro X. They sell them at the stop over store in IAH. They are $637. I am quite happy with them. The battery pack takes two AA batteries and lasts for about a month. I have flown with a few that had the telex headset which has no battery pack but in my opinion they are not as quiet or comfortable. Also they have the foam over the mike so the folks chiming in on this thread are happy with me.