United Hiring Questions

[Jetjockey]

1,400 still furloughed at 400 per year is 3 1/2 years, possibly less time for growth airplanes, depending on whether the combined airline shrinks in the near future? Then another year or two of 400 per year retirements to have enough new-hires to push a person hired now off reserve = 4 - 6 years, depending on the hiring variable and if people don't take recall?

Not looking to start over, just lurking and didn't realize that many people were still on the street there... Being furloughed sucks, I know. Hope everyone gets back if they want to sooner than later!

Incorrect. More than 400 UAL have come over to the CAL side. They will have to hire sooner rather than later. The work rules, combined with FAR rest rule changes will drive new hiring off the street.

 

[eaglesview]

So if this TA passes, it affects all newhires on the Continental side, paying and abiding by the new TA?

Yes it would be a joint contract all but ending "UAL/CAL" sides with just the SLI to go.

 

[Mad Dog 80]

Any off the street hiring taking place in January?

 

[Andy]

1,400 still furloughed at 400 per year is 3 1/2 years, possibly less time for growth airplanes, depending on whether the combined airline shrinks in the near future? Then another year or two of 400 per year retirements to have enough new-hires to push a person hired now off reserve = 4 - 6 years, depending on the hiring variable and if people don't take recall?

Not looking to start over, just lurking and didn't realize that many people were still on the street there... Being furloughed sucks, I know. Hope everyone gets back if they want to sooner than later!

The total number of LUAL furloughs is 1435 (was 1437; one died and one turned 65). The actual number is probably lower; I only know of those two.

There are ~400 LUAL pilots currently flying at LCAL or in the training pipeline.

LUAL pilots have 10 years' recall rights from date of furlough. That has not changed in the new contract, so all pilots under the new contract will have 10 years' recall rights. Because of this, many will not return anytime in the near future.

On the last round of LUAL recalls in 2006-2008, approximately 2/3s of 2172 returned to LUAL. Those that bypassed a second time lost all recall rights (the 10 year recall rights were added in the contract rewrite).

The number of retirements in 2006-2008 at LUAL were less than the combined LUAL/LCAL retirements.

The new contract is supposed to require ~700 more pilots in order to fly in accordance with the contract.

737 training at LCAL is maxed out. When I went through training, someone high up in the training dept talked to our class and stated that they were looking 'worldwide' for available 737 sim time. AFAIK, no sim outsourcing has occurred yet.

Prior to the new contract, all LUAL furloughees had been offered a training slot at LCAL and they began to hire off of the street.

How many LUAL furloughees will return due to the new contract? Maybe another 400. That would tie up current available training for another year. If they outsource sim time, that time decreases.

 

[Andy]

Any off the street hiring taking place in January?

I ran into a trainee in IAH. He had been hired at UAL in 2008 but never got a class date. He's in an early December class.
While it's off the street hiring, that's not exactly what you wanted to know.
The last time I heard the pilot in charge of hiring, Capt Charlie Venema, discussing the hiring plan (it's been a few months), they were going to initially offer jobs to furloughed ALPA pilots first and then open hiring up to all pilots. He specifically mentioned a hiring preference to Comair pilots.

With the new contract, I would expect a decent number of LUAL 2007-2008 newhires to accept a job at LCAL. The payrates are significantly better than what they would have returned to under the old contract. There were only ~195 newhires at LUAL in 2007/8 and some have already accepted jobs at LCAL so this isn't a gamechanger.

Again, the hiring plan is somewhat dated information. I'll try to update once I get a chance to talk to someone in training. Since I'm IAH based and stay in some of the same hotels as trainees, I get a pretty good idea of new class composition.

 

[kj6991]

Any off the street hiring taking place in January?

Have you been paying any attention to anything? I swear you are a half retarded 4th grader. I hope someone does finally hire you somewhere so these types of questions finally vanish... There are endless threads on all information and questions you have ever asked.

 

[152SIC]

I was hired in early 2008 by LUAL and never received a class date. 3/24/2008 was when I received a letter from Kay stating that classes were put on hold.

I haven't heard anything from UAL recently. Any idea if they are going to call the rest of those hired at LUAL who didn't have class dates?

Thanks!

I ran into a trainee in IAH. He had been hired at UAL in 2008 but never got a class date. He's in an early December class.
While it's off the street hiring, that's not exactly what you wanted to know.
The last time I heard the pilot in charge of hiring, Capt Charlie Venema, discussing the hiring plan (it's been a few months), they were going to initially offer jobs to furloughed ALPA pilots first and then open hiring up to all pilots. He specifically mentioned a hiring preference to Comair pilots.

With the new contract, I would expect a decent number of LUAL 2007-2008 newhires to accept a job at LCAL. The payrates are significantly better than what they would have returned to under the old contract. There were only ~195 newhires at LUAL in 2007/8 and some have already accepted jobs at LCAL so this isn't a gamechanger.

Again, the hiring plan is somewhat dated information. I'll try to update once I get a chance to talk to someone in training. Since I'm IAH based and stay in some of the same hotels as trainees, I get a pretty good idea of new class composition.

 

[Andy]

I was hired in early 2008 by LUAL and never received a class date. 3/24/2008 was when I received a letter from Kay stating that classes were put on hold.

I haven't heard anything from UAL recently. Any idea if they are going to call the rest of those hired at LUAL who didn't have class dates?

Thanks!

I sent you a PM.

 

[152SIC]

Thanks for the PM Andy, I tried to reply back but your PM inbox is full.

 

[Andy]

Thanks for the PM Andy, I tried to reply back but your PM inbox is full.

The guy that I spoke to had a class date back in 2008; I don't know how much of a difference that makes.

 

[152SIC]

I think that is what makes the difference, so far at least.

Those hired at LUAL with class dates have been called, those without class dates are still in limbo. Thanks again for the information!

 

[CAL EWR B737]

Our MEC was briefed we are hiring 72 a month indefinitely. They have already had some in class as new hires that just interviewed in addition to those who were hired at CAL and UAL and put into a pool when both carriers stopped hiring after the last hiring period.

Jayson Baron
EWR CAL CA Rep

 

[kj6991]

Our MEC was briefed we are hiring 72 a month indefinitely. They have already had some in class as new hires that just interviewed in addition to those who were hired at CAL and UAL and put into a pool when both carriers stopped hiring after the last hiring period.

Jayson Baron
EWR CAL CA Rep

Other than some poolies being in class, I don't believe one bit of this post... I spoke with CV this morning actually. Where do you guys come up with this information, or should I say, misinformation?

I would like to see specific, in-writing information that off the street guys are currently interviewing, some are in class, and 72 a month indefinitely. When you post this in writing with valid confirmation, I'll swallow my words and apologize.

 

[zonker]

Other than some poolies being in class, I don't believe one bit of this post... I spoke with CV this morning actually. Where do you guys come up with this information, or should I say, misinformation?

I would like to see specific, in-writing information that off the street guys are currently interviewing, some are in class, and 72 a month indefinitely. When you post this in writing with valid confirmation, I'll swallow my words and apologize.

Good idea. Baron lied to this pilot group repeatedly about not giving ANY scope concessions to the company.

Now here we are and what do we have? Scope concessions.

Baron and his words aren't worth a bucket of warm spit.

 

[nimtz]

Other than some poolies being in class, I don't believe one bit of this post... I spoke with CV this morning actually. Where do you guys come up with this information, or should I say, misinformation?

I would like to see specific, in-writing information that off the street guys are currently interviewing, some are in class, and 72 a month indefinitely. When you post this in writing with valid confirmation, I'll swallow my words and apologize.

You are right and he is wrong. There has not been one new hire interview on the CAL side. Don't ya' think it would have been on this board or APC if there was? Furthermore the IAH training center can not handle 72/month. UAL guys can correct me, but I have heard of no new hire training at DENTK. Don't forget that our MEC was also briefed the our total compensation in 2013 will be superior to DAL's. :erm: