Union getting serious at CitationAir

[wacoflyr]

I don't work there, but why is all of this so familiar? You guys have not reinvented the wheel. My, do we pilots hate each other. We are, without question, our own worst enemies. Please explain that I am wrong.

I wish the best for all of my Citationair brothers and sisters.

Wacoflyr.

 

[G4dude]

Hey Fractrash,

I guess your name really says it all.

I'm embarrassed for you. You don't get it. You won't get it until it's you begging for your job in Greenwich and they are making side bets on whether or not you will break down and cry.

If anyone needs further proof of what's wrong with aviation, just check out all the geniuses like this guy. "I am willing to suck it up while management makes the company stronger". I can hear management laughing all the way to the bank as they deposit their bonuses financed right out of his pocket.

Guess it's really true, pilots are each others worst enemy. We will do it to ourselves every time, because for some reason we feel we should be grateful to the kind man in the shiny suit who lets us play with his jet everyday, even on Weekends and Holydays. Getting treated as a professional with commensurate pay and benefits doesn't even enter into it, "look Ma, I'm flyin a shiny jet" All management has to do is sit back, watch, and laugh.

uke:

We have quite a few of you morons at NJA.

 

[rigger]

Frac is right we do stay at nice hotels.....today. We do have uniforms paid for .....today. We do have a pretty decent pay structure .....still today. What he refuses to look at and see is that we dont have
1) Any sick time at all sure we can take some but we "may" have to pay it back to the company.
2) the average 6,000 dollars of pay that we had 2 years ago, the company published pay rates then the economy takes a hit and cut 2 times. In fact the president of the company says quote I am sorry i ever published pay rates, from now on think of those rates as purly informational.
3) is the 401k match we had 2 years ago.
4) is the long term disability anymore...yep only have it for a year now then tough crap gotta pay for cobra.
5) are rules for standby at the airport, hey crew show at 5 am sit for 4 hrs and then sit for 4 more....then do it again in the am.
6 the ability to have abeer after flying all day, yep the company now has every pilot on 14 hr du and 10 hour rest. But the policy (which is being 100% enforced now) is 12 hours between duty.
7) the protection that if I take off and mess up and kill us that my family will be protected from liability 100% no such luck at citationair.

There are many many more items I can list for frac, but he wont listen.....it sucks but it is needed today, Too many have been fired over the last few years. The presidemt was very proud That only 7 guys have been fired hmmmm 325 guys 7 fired.......letS see now net jets 3000 plus guys 2 fired I think......nope not something to be proud of boss!

Union needed union coming, wont solve everything but at least i know what i have will be what i have.....today who the heck knows, it changes at whim!

 

[FRACTRASH]

We're not payed to drink beer, The Union at NJ protected pilots who should have been fired, Most Corporations can adjust pay as they feel needed for the state of the business. If we agree or not. Sitting to long on standby. Theses problems will not be fixed by Teamsters. You don't hire the mob to brake the knee caps of the company you work for. We will still sit standby and and have young people in scheduling who don't know all the details. These are just apart of our business. Here's an idea, lets provide great safe service to our owners, and keep are business strong. Teamsters will not fix the minor problems we have at our company. God for bid we have to work flying airplanes on are week on. I can tell you i've never been called on my days off.

 

[OHGOON]

You don't hire the mob to brake the knee caps of the company you work for.

This is such an ignorant statement, it makes my eyes bleed. Are you a birther? You must be.

God for bid we have to work flying airplanes on are (don't you mean "our") week on. I can tell you i've never been called on my days off.

Well that convinced me. "Look Ma they even let me stay home sometimes and don't call me". The whole point of a union is to have a better quality of life and not compare ourselves to a crappy third rate charter outfit. You really think that not calling you on your week off is a perk? Way to go, keep looking down and wallow in the mud. I'm beginning to get you. You don't feel you deserve better, hence you argue to stay where you are. They have a modern tool to fix such low self esteem, it's called therapy.

BTW, you are most likely one of those tools willing to help management keep our furloughed pilots out longer by flying all the overtime you can get your greedy little hooves on. Right?

The only shame will be that you too will get better pay and working conditions once the "Mob" has been elected. Off course you could give all of the raise back to your beloved CAM and volunteer to sit at the FBO early at 4:30am everyday, but for some reason I get the feeling that you'll keep the money while still bitching about the union as you roll over and catch a few more Zzzzzz.

 

[FRACTRASH]

Thanks for the spell check. You are correct, I should type slower and proof read more. I'll do better next time. Last time I checked we're bringing many of OUR coworkers back. Tell me how Teamsters will do it sooner? I'll take all the overtime they give me. Only selling airplanes or products will bring them back quicker, so quit complaining and do the job they pay us to do. The sales team has the largest impact on that front. Do you really think Teamsters will stop us from sitting standby? The only thing your entitled to is taxes and death. Just stop all your whining.

 

[The Dude Abides]

The union is making their big Calvary charge at CA. It won't be passed. Their is too many smart people working here to fall for the unions smoke and mirrors.

Get ready to pull your rip cord, B.L.!

 

[The Dude Abides]

We're not payed to drink beer, The Union at NJ protected pilots who should have been fired, Most Corporations can adjust pay as they feel needed for the state of the business. If we agree or not. Sitting to long on standby. Theses problems will not be fixed by Teamsters. You don't hire the mob to brake the knee caps of the company you work for. We will still sit standby and and have young people in scheduling who don't know all the details. These are just apart of our business. Here's an idea, lets provide great safe service to our owners, and keep are business strong. Teamsters will not fix the minor problems we have at our company. God for bid we have to work flying airplanes on are week on. I can tell you i've never been called on my days off.

Bbboooorrrrrriiiiinnngggggggg!!!

 

[CE750Driver]

We're not payed to drink beer, The Union at NJ protected pilots who should have been fired, Most Corporations can adjust pay as they feel needed for the state of the business. If we agree or not. Sitting to long on standby. Theses problems will not be fixed by Teamsters. You don't hire the mob to brake the knee caps of the company you work for. We will still sit standby and and have young people in scheduling who don't know all the details. These are just apart of our business. Here's an idea, lets provide great safe service to our owners, and keep are business strong. Teamsters will not fix the minor problems we have at our company. God for bid we have to work flying airplanes on are week on. I can tell you i've never been called on my days off.

Holy crap Fractrash. If my 10 year old daughter had turned in a paragraph like that, I would send her back to 1st grade.

Payed = paid
to = too
brake = break
apart = a part
are = our -multiple times
for bid = forbid

Not to mention punctuation.
Pssst......Your trailer park is showing.......

 

[G4dude]

I would take NJ any time over this f-up place any day. Thanks for the suggestion, last I checked they had people on furlough you moron. You chose CS because it was union free? Hate to disappoint you, CA (I guess you have trouble keeping up) will soon be anything but, because most people who work here are still able to think for themselves and realize they are better off with a contract than "at will status".

Of course for people (and I use this word loosely in your case) like you, there is always a tube of KY jelly with the words "where it really belongs" available so that Steve can personally insert what ever he wants to cram in so much smoother. You are such a tool!

Funny that this moron does not post on the union website because he knows that the rest of us will hand his ass to him, so he trolls around here instead.

Good luck to you after the vote buddy, you will be the troll and everyone will know it. Enjoy life while you can.

So, you are proud about your ability to intimidate anyone on the union website who disagrees with you? That is why only the union crazies post on it.

 

[OHGOON]

So, you are proud about your ability to intimidate anyone on the union website who disagrees with you? That is why only the union crazies post on it.

CA has no Gulfstreams. How would you know who posts on the IBT1108 website at CitationAir and why are pro union folks crazy? You obviously don't work at CA, so why comment on something that does not concern you?

My comment was directed at Fractrash who runs his spelling challenged mouth here but seems unable to make his case on the union website. I'm there everyday and I would be able to pick up his trailer trash English immediately. He's obviuosly too chicken to do it, because he can't hide as well there because it's only 400+/- and not thousands of anonymous persons like on a public board. Of course, the fact he doesn't get it may not be his fault entirely but when his ignorance and intellectually challenged hangups stand in the way of my family achieving more economic security then, ah whatever, the union will win and he will just have to deal with it! It is way beyond time that I even care what a lamebrain like him pretends to be concerned with. It's sort of like yelling at your dog. Emotionally cathartic perhaps but pointless nonetheless.

 

[phishn@daves]

his spelling challenged mouth.

That's just funny.

 

[FRACTRASH]

OHGOON, The reason you don't see me on the Union site is simple, I don't want' to be apart of a Union, period. Obviously, you my friend need anger management. I may post rather quickly at times. But I never looked at these post like a college paper for Christ sake. Like your Avatar show college or weed, maybe you need more weed.

By the way 14 more pilot recalled. Making the total of 53 out of 85 back to work, way to go Citationair. This is hard to believe, but Teamsters wasn't needed in order to recall these pilots.

If your so unhappy here, please feel free to look for an employer who meets all of your demands. I've been told the Airlines will be hiring soon and a bonus they all ready have a Union. Tell you what, I'll be happy to write you a leader of recommendation.

 

[RCR5]

Yeah, unions always save the day.....lol.

Lets forget the fact we are in the worst recession our country has ever seen and while the union fractionals are treading water, CA is coming back WITHOUT a union. We stay at the Hilton, Marriott, ect. when we overnight. We fly very well maintained aircraft. Citation Air has NEVER fired anyone that didn't deserve it, ect., ect., ect..

The list can go on and on. We do not work that hard, we fly to the best places in the world with the nicest owners in the world in some of the nicest airplanes. Listening to a pro union whiner yap all day because we had to get up before 5 am and fly 2 legs from a cold weather state to a warm weather state (Los Angeles, Ca) and be done by 12 noon was just one more reason for me to hate everything a union brings to a company and it's employees.....entitlement mentality.

Or the poor lying sob stories about "Hey did you hear Joe got fired for this or that...bull******************** huh? We need a union to prevent that from happening again"; only to find out when you investigate the story yourself it was all BS. Yeah, union tactics....lol. "Get those cards in and lets stick it to management", blah, blah, blah!!!!!!!!!!!!!

You hear it all and can easily identify them after a day of flying with them. I used to look forward to the lies of one such pilot I seemed to fly with a lot. I would write his crap down at night and do some research and find the truth. Then I would hit him with it the next time and shut him up. Sometimes it wouldn't even take that long. We ran into another crew one night at the same restaurant and this union loving nut job that I was flying with started in on his union rant. One of the other pilots across from him had been in the company longer and was also very aware of what was going on in management. When I asked him for the truth on the story that was shared with me that day by my friend, he had another side to it (the truth) and it didn't make management look at fault at all for their decisions. Amazing!

These union loving whack jobs will do anything to get a union on the property because they don't know anything else. They are also being pushed by the union to do it. Why? The Teamsters are going to get some of your hard earned money for NOTHING. Look at what they did for Netjets and the others? It is laughable. How soon do you think it will be before those guys will get the recall notice?

In the 30's and 40's there was a justifiable reason to have unions. Today, there is not. They are run by crooks who want your money for doing nothing. Citation Air is leading the industry as a union less company that takes care of its employees. Yes, they have had to make cuts in pay, furlough, benefits, ect.. But who hasn't?????? Is there a fractional out there that has not that offers what CA does? NO! Everyone is suffering through this recession. A union at CA will only make it worse. They will be taking money that belongs to us and in return, provide us with nothing.

 

[UAL-GSO]

OHGOON By the way 14 more pilot recalled. Making the total of 53 out of 85 back to work, way to go Citationair. This is hard to believe, but Teamsters wasn't needed in order to recall these pilots.

Any idea what DOH that goes back to?