Union: Delta wants to cut pilot jobs

[Scope out RJ's]

1.You cashed those profit sharing checks when you were at ASA...why didn't you donate them to the poor Delta pilots?

:bawling::bawling:

2. Mainline pay and benefits have been cut in half over the past 10 years....Most of that isn't going to the regionals....

:bawling::bawling:

3. Comair is owned by Delta....It's the same company.....of course DALPA is the one that argued that they are separate.....

:bawling::bawling:

Don't forget the real #1 reason:
4. I'm JoeMerchant, and I can't get hired anywhere because of my shabby background, and it is all ALPA's fault.

And the response:

:bawling::bawling::bawling:

 

[samballs]

Let me think about this for a second----UMMMM NO. Scope relief? RJs have ruined this industry. And, again, we supposedly will be profitable this year---primarily because oil is a lot cheaper than last year.

Bye Bye---General Lee

No scope relief? Didn't Moak just budge already on that. I don't know if you guys got something for that budge, but that is what you guys always do. You guys give just a little on scope to cover your a@@es then before you know it regionals are flying 73's for you guys. they already fly dc9's for you guys. DL pilots will move to allow 100 seats by next year.

 

[General Lee]

No scope relief? Didn't Moak just budge already on that. I don't know if you guys got something for that budge, but that is what you guys always do. You guys give just a little on scope to cover your a@@es then before you know it regionals are flying 73's for you guys. they already fly dc9's for you guys. DL pilots will allow 100 seaters by next year.]

We didn't have a say in the scope relief given by our MEC Chair Moak this last time. HAD we had a say, doubtful it would have happened. A lot of the Delta South guys that didn't care retired with their lump sums. And, the same number of seats allowed that was FORCED upon us during BK is still the allotted number. That has not gone up, and will not. Now that we have the milliatant North boys (I say that with affection BTW), it will be tougher to pass things that are borderline, and that is a good thing.

Bye Bye--General Lee

 

[rf285]

The union should know by now that any scope relief will end up with a mutiny. I wouldn't be surprised to see a decertification drive if the above was entertained. I'm grateful for our new Northern brothers when it comes to union business.

 

[JohnDoe]

We didn't have a say in the scope relief given by our MEC Chair Moak this last time. HAD we had a say, doubtful it would have happened.

Yes you most certainly did have a say. It's called your vote, and Delta south types keep voting Lee "rj's are good for Delta" Moak into office. How long has he been there despite his scope givebacks??

 

[BrickTop]

Maybe someday you will finally understand YOU CAN'T PAY PILOTS MAINLINE WAGES TO FLY RJ's. Scoping out 70+ seat markets to be flown by mainline is one more aspect of high operating expenses that is contributing to financial imbalances. I don't like it but at least I accept the economics of it and its impact on business. There are only two solutions. Control operating costs through labor and overhead, or raise ticket prices. We know they won't and can't do the foremost and remain competitive. Scope is nothing more than an ego driven measure.

 

[another cfii]

Yes you most certainly did have a say. It's called your vote, and Delta south types keep voting Lee "rj's are good for Delta" Moak into office. How long has he been there despite his scope givebacks??

Capt. Moak, along with the rest of the MEC are elected thru the LEC. We do have the voice to change who represents our LEC. And trust me, our LEC do know what's at stake. Just ask them when they were flooded with email and phone calls couple months ago when that LOA was signed by Moak. Most of us aren't very patient, and enough is enough.

 

[rf285]

Maybe someday you will finally understand YOU CAN'T PAY PILOTS MAINLINE WAGES TO FLY RJ's. Scoping out 70+ seat markets to be flown by mainline is one more aspect of high operating expenses that is contributing to financial imbalances. I don't like it but at least I accept the economics of it and its impact on business. There are only two solutions. Control operating costs through labor and overhead, or raise ticket prices. We know they won't and can't do the foremost and remain competitive. Scope is nothing more than an ego driven measure.

Do we have a new flamebaiter?

 

[ACL65PILOT]

They are not paying mainline wages to the mainline either. What's you point?

 

[andyd]

We have mainline payscales for the CRJ00 and EMB190 should they ever hit property...and they will be flown by mainline pilots. Everyone should take time out of thier day to email your rep and let them know on no uncertain terms that if they choose to support Moak in more scope relief that they will be voted out in the next elections. Ditto on the sentiment for our "north" brothers, the more pissed off people we have VOTING....the better (and i do mean that in the best of ways)...

 

[andyd]

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[GogglesPisano]

Maybe someday you will finally understand YOU CAN'T PAY PILOTS MAINLINE WAGES TO FLY RJ's. .

You could if all RJ pilots were paid the same "mainline wages." Then there would be an even playing field for all companies, with no underbidders.

 

[BrickTop]

You could if all RJ pilots were paid the same "mainline wages." Then there would be an even playing field for all companies, with no underbidders.

I support that but no single airfare will.... And neither would any regional mgmnt group.

 

[the palm]

We have mainline payscales for the CRJ00 and EMB190 should they ever hit property...and they will be flown by mainline pilots. Everyone should take time out of thier day to email your rep and let them know on no uncertain terms that if they choose to support Moak in more scope relief that they will be voted out in the next elections. Ditto on the sentiment for our "north" brothers, the more pissed off people we have VOTING....the better (and i do mean that in the best of ways)...

Mainline wages that are less than my current contract wages at ASA? Interesting concept, the regional pays better than pap D? I guess I will buy your beer !!! HAHA

 

[General Lee]

Mainline wages that are less than my current contract wages at ASA? Interesting concept, the regional pays better than pap D? I guess I will buy your beer !!! HAHA

That's great and all, but you can't move up to a larger aircraft. You are stuck, whereas our rates would keep Captains at the 100 seater type for awhile, and then move UP, making more. We could go from an E190 etc(if we ever got one) to a 777. You are stuck where you are, FOREVER. Enjoy it moron. HA HA HA.

Bye Bye--General Lee