UAL MEC tough stance on Scope---keep it up!

[sleeves]

Back on topic: The fact is, like it or not, RJs will continue to fly certain routes until it makes economic sense to put a mainline aircraft on them. Now, I don't pretend to understand the logic of pulling out oversold 757s and replacing them with RJs (with a higher CASM). But, RJs are the RIGHT size for many markets. That part will never change.

What is an RJ anyway? MGT. keeps expanding the definition. The new C-class has up to 155 seats, is that an RJ?

As far as I am concerned you can keep your 50 seaters, and props. Everything else comes to Mainline. I will never vote to give up my CAL scope!! I have no problem letting MGT right size the A/C for the mission. I just want to be sure Mainline pilots are on the A/C if it is over 50 seats.

 

[Dornier 335]

Easy, bubba ....

Joe Dirtchant:
No, they didn't land on a taxiway or fly past MSP. They (regional pilots) killed 50 people taking off on the wrong runway in LEX, they, killed even more innocent people in BUF when not adding power when extending flaps and gear in a turbo prop airplane.

This is a dangerous generalization. I can think of enough accidents involving mainline pilots. Western landing on the closed runway in Mexico City (MMMX). Singapore Airliners taking off a closed runway in Changi (WWWS). BA recently making a intersection takeoff @ TKPK. The fact that the adove mentioned incidents and errors (BA, DL and NWA) didn't kill anybody is luck. Every pilot group has its good, bad and "wrong place @ the wrong time" pilots. This mainline vs. regional debate reminds me of six-year old boys in the changing room saying that "mine's bigger than yours".

 

[sleeves]

What made the merger happen was the fact that Delta was bringing the heat with our corporate accounts in New York. Their Merger is successful, and the major shareholders wanted it. I am not sure why the parking of your 737 had anything to do with it. If you are indicating that the parking of the 737 fleet was to entice the Gov. to approve the merger I think I disagree. The flying that was done on the 737 for the large part was not lost it was just switched to the 170. Were there any cities or routes lost?

 

[Scope out RJ's]

Amazing.

This is a dangerous generalization. I can think of enough accidents involving mainline pilots. Western landing on the closed runway in Mexico City (MMMX). Singapore Airliners taking off a closed runway in Changi (WWWS). BA recently making a intersection takeoff @ TKPK. The fact that the adove mentioned incidents and errors (BA, DL and NWA) didn't kill anybody is luck. Every pilot group has its good, bad and "wrong place @ the wrong time" pilots. This mainline vs. regional debate reminds me of six-year old boys in the changing room saying that "mine's bigger than yours".

Yet you didn't comment on merchant writing the following:

ASA didn't land on taxiway Mike. ASA didn't fly 150 miles past MSP.

 

[IBNAV8R]

What is an RJ anyway? MGT. keeps expanding the definition. The new C-class has up to 155 seats, is that an RJ?

As far as I am concerned you can keep your 50 seaters, and props. Everything else comes to Mainline. I will never vote to give up my CAL scope!! I have no problem letting MGT right size the A/C for the mission. I just want to be sure Mainline pilots are on the A/C if it is over 50 seats.

It's gotta make economic sense. IMHO, even if mainline pilots were paid regional rates to fly them, the mainline cost structure is too high in comprison. I'm talking rampers (both number of, and pay), mechanics, FAs, cleaners, etc. I just can't fathom that these other groups would go along just to help out a bunch of, "whiny-a$$ed, overpaid pilots".

I personally think 99 seats will be the magic number.

 

[sleeves]

It's gotta make economic sense. IMHO, even if mainline pilots were paid regional rates to fly them, the mainline cost structure is too high in comprison. I'm talking rampers (both number of, and pay), mechanics, FAs, cleaners, etc. I just can't fathom that these other groups would go along just to help out a bunch of, "whiny-a$$ed, overpaid pilots".

I personally think 99 seats will be the magic number.

I will give you the mechanics and the F/A's, although an agreement can be worked out where we use different F/A's for that part of the operation much like we do with our Guam base. The F/a's are on a completely different list with different contracts. The cleaners, and rampers are already contracted out for the most part already on the CAL side and I expect that will carry over to UAL. The same people that clean us and park us do so interchangeably. We would save money by eliminating the profit we pay your company to do the work.

The reason MGT. wants Express types is because of the power to control the groups with the whipsaw. They will not be happy until all of the flying is outsourced. 99 seats LOL, Why stop there?

 

[jonjuan]

The United MEC Chairman just said I'm not as good and not as professional....

Try just for once not being a lemming......

You're not, simple fact. Go through the process of getting hired at a major and then you can talk. Until then, you're not only not in the same league, you're not in the same ballpark.

 

[johnsonrod]

You're not, simple fact. Go through the process of getting hired at a major and then you can talk. Until then, you're not only not in the same league, you're not in the same ballpark.

Joe thinks he has a good deal where he is at, and doesn't want to start over. The problem is, the regional industry is changing in front of him, and he can't see it. New FAA rules, hiring standards, and now mainline MECs wanting flying back. It's obvious to me, and I want to be a part of it eventually.

 

[Dornier 335]

Scope ... My Bad

To Be Politically Correct (in C-major): (cough)

Sh!t happens!

Major, Regional, 135, Foreign, Flight Instructor*. And some of this sh!t can kill you.


*Except when you work for the FAA.

 

[flyboy9967]

Not that I care but you keep saying that a BK judge made you do it. When did crj's start flying for Delta? Were you guys in BK at that time? If not, isn't that giving up scope all on your own? I kinda started to look it all up but then I didn't.

Benny,

I guess a BK judge had NOTHING to do with any loss of Scope, right? And, many 50 seaters are taking care of themselves right now, just going off to the desert. 22 Freedom ERJs were just parked, and many ex-RJ routes are now back to mainline (like ATL--GRR, and ATL--FNT) And, that domestic product gets better every day, and is ten times better than your Cattle Car at SWA. Ever seen a liveTV (Dish Network) in any of your seats? Probably not. But hey, you don't charge for bags! (and don't reap the profits either) Just think, if you did, you could use more money to make better TV Commercials. You really need to.


Bye Bye---General Lee