Two people in Aviation with Kids. Does it work?

[capt. megadeth]

Kids should be #1 priority for mom and career put on hold.

Why don't you put your f***ing career on hold?

 

[capt. megadeth]

Our neighborhood is filled with them, as is our church.

Oh Gawd! A church goer....that says it all for me. Now, I definitely don't give a frog's fat a$$ about your opinion Mr. Christian.

 

[FlyUnited]

Observation:

The biggest scumbags, cheaters, and bs artists are the ones who like to talk about their 'church'.

 

[capt. megadeth]

Observation:

The biggest scumbags, cheaters, and bs artists are the ones who like to talk about their 'church'.

Let's not forget the hipocrites too.

 

[HA25]

Why don't you put your f***ing career on hold?

Whether you take the fundamentalist radical right "Christian" view point, or the Darwinist, evolutionary view.... Women were dealt that task. Sorry if that fact gets you angry, but it simply is a fact.

BTW.. I'm Roman Catholic, and not a member of any "Radical" churches.. My views are not any different than my wife either. It's not a man/woman thing, it's life..

 

[capt. megadeth]

Sorry if that fact gets you angry, but it simply is a fact.

BTW.. I'm Roman Catholic, and not a member of any "Radical" churches.. My views are not any different than my wife either. It's not a man/woman thing, it's life..

BAM!!!!!!!!!! Right there! You just said the two magic words. ROMAN CATHOLIC!!! Having grown up Catholic, having gone to a Catholic school for half my life, having been made to go to church until I was 18, I have first hand experience of the hippocracy of the "Catholic" religion. Dude, you don't have to be radical....you just have to say to me that you are Catholic and that's all I need to hear to know that your opinion means NADA to me.

I'm not angry at what your opinion is....you can think what you want. That's great that your wife shares your opinion....what makes me angry is your inability to mind your own business and say that a woman should give up her career and stay home with the kids. Not surprising...typical Catholic which is why I will not get married in a Catholic church, I will not baptize my kid in a Catholic church and if I ever step foot in a Catholic church again it will be too soon.

You have once again shown me why I no longer consider myself Catholic......a bunch of self righteous hippocrites who like to force their views on others saying "God loves everyone" but if you don't do what we want you to do, you are shunned and damned by God. Have a nice life Mr. Catholic.

 

[HA25]

No problem, but keep in mind I do have several atheistic/secular friends who do the same. Darwinism and Evolution/natural selection dictate that in almost all species one of the genders raises the offspring. Usually (99% of the time) it's the female. The Catholic church doesn't per say have any official doctrine on women's roles in child rearing, but the more conservative view taken by most people is that a woman is better suited for it. This would also account for why most elementary school teachers are women.

I hope you don't mind my being frank, but I think that the problem is that women like you seem to find that the natural laws and facts of science are inconvenient to them. They want to believe that woman can do anything, and everything a man can and as well or better. It simply isn't true. Political correctness and laws can be mandated to give the impression that it is, but that's only has the effect of a small band aid over a huge wound.

There are things women can do better and there are things they don't do better.

Just watch the ESPN Fire Fighter challenge to see why men are better suited to be "Firefighters". The 50 year old male fire chiefs get better scores than the super fit 20-30 year old females, and let's not discuss the 20-30 year old males.

Or, watch any sport.. football is obvious, but look even at bowling, or pool, golf, and other less physical sports. Men have different spacial skills that makes them better suited for this kind of stuff. Through out history, the male has been responsible for certain tasks like that of "Hunter/gatherer" and this has lead to evolutional differences in our brains and bodies.

On the other hand, woman have far better reasoning skills, and communication skills.. again due to evolutionary needs.

We can throw the bible and church doctrine out the window, and it still stands on scientific grounds that men are better suited to drive a race car, or fly a plane. This isn't to say that in the statistical bell curve of men vs. women on spacial skills that the 10% outlier of women isn't as good as maybe the 50th percentile of men (or some other model, as I don't have access to the actual data).. but there is data that proves that spacial skills are generally better in males.

there is more here, and a lot of the research is "pay for content" so pay a few $$ and learn.

http://www.sfn.org/index.cfm?pagename=brainBriefings_genderAndTheBrain

Anyway, hate to get you so upset, but it's just I have a problem in that I always have to call a spade "a spade". I'm so bad at PC..

 

[FlyUnited]

Any woman (or man) who is stupid or weak enough to allow their spouse to demand them to give up their career deserves to be miserable.

If everyone thought like you do, we'd have all the women in the USA wearing burkas and getting permission from their husbands to leave the house.

Mega - I think most of these guys are full of it. They are probably brow beaten, "yes dear" sort of people. The only way they can act macho is typing away on their laptop when their wives go to bed.

 

[capt. megadeth]

We can throw the bible and church doctrine out the window, and it still stands on scientific grounds that men are better suited to drive a race car, or fly a plane.

Anyway, hate to get you so upset, but it's just I have a problem in that I always have to call a spade "a spade". I'm so bad at PC..

I didn't even get to this part and I saw it coming. People like you are so predictable.

Calling a spade a spade has nothing to do with saying "a woman should give up her career and stay at home with the kids". What would you have done if she refused to do that and thought you should give up your career and stay home with the kids? What would you have done?

I like people that say it like it is and maybe women are better at raising kids, but to say we MUST give up our careers is NOT saying it like it is...it's your opinion.

 

[capt. megadeth]

Any woman (or man) who is stupid or weak enough to allow their spouse to demand them to give up their career deserves to be miserable.

If everyone thought like you do, we'd have all the women in the USA wearing burkas and getting permission from their husbands to leave the house.

Mega - I think most of these guys are full of it. They are probably brow beaten, "yes dear" sort of people. The only way they can act macho is typing away on their laptop when their wives go to bed.

Amen sista! :laugh:

No kidding!

 

[Rez O. Lewshun]

Mega- I thought you were drained of this thread and told me to let it go?

I disagree with FMS-Speed that men are better pilots. I think women make great pilots and sometimes better... even better than me.

The fact is, women make better care givers for infants. Something that you and FlyUAL haven't been able to counter. FLYUAL did a great job staying at home for the formitive years... What is best for an infant is the best care possible. That is from Mom and of course support from Dad. Will a day care provider provide better care for your infant than you?

In addition, you two are also unable to counter the two news articles: the shifted sociopolitical environement from housewife to professional yields women are less happy.

As stated earlier, I don't understand how the working CEO stated she is a better mom cause she works. After talking to child development expert it was stated that raising children is much more difficult than working. IOW it is easier to fly a jet than be a full time parent.

We are a product of conditioning and our environment. Just as a welfare recipient will continue to take a free handout, women will continue to validate thier worth via societies rules. Which is being a stay at home mom is worthless and invisible as opposed to a working professional. What is a bright, intelligent (and in the case of you and FlyUAL, good looking ) women of free will supposed to do?

 

[HA25]

Rez, it's not my opinion, it's science.. there is a statistically higher rate of men with the spacial skills needed to fly, and there is also a statistically higher rate of men with the physical strength to work controls that may be in a reversionary mode. i.e. try flying a MD-11 or DC-10 on one hydraulic system.. it's a two man job on a good day.

anyway, I'm not one for PC so if that offends anyone sorry.

 

[Rez O. Lewshun]

Rez, it's not my opinion, it's science.. there is a statistically higher rate of men with the spacial skills needed to fly, and there is also a statistically higher rate of men with the physical strength to work controls that may be in a reversionary mode. i.e. try flying a MD-11 or DC-10 on one hydraulic system.. it's a two man job on a good day.

anyway, I'm not one for PC so if that offends anyone sorry.

So you are saying that an all female crew on UAL's Souix City accident (unmanned as they like to say...) would have not been as successful?

 

[capt. megadeth]

1. Mega- I thought you were drained of this thread and told me to let it go?

2. I disagree with FMS-Speed that men are better pilots. I think women make great pilots and sometimes better... even better than me.

3. The fact is, women make better care givers for infants. Will a day care provider provide better care for your infant than you?

4. In addition, you two are also unable to counter the two news articles: the shifted sociopolitical environement from housewife to professional yields women are less happy.

1. I was but a 4 day drive from California to Illinois with no Flightinfo got me to recoup. Not only that, but I really was done until Mr. "Catholic" came on here with his nonsense. You are actually more reasonable than this ding dong.....I can't believe I just said that.

2. Thanks man!

3. That may be so. No, of course daycare won't care for your child better than a parent (hopefully). I never said that. I also agree with you that it's better to have a parent at home with the kids but you take it to the extreme saying someone should never want a break. You never addressed the opposite schedule thing which does make A parent available most times. Life (and children) is about sacrifice....some people think that sacrificing their career to be at home with their kids 24/7 is the better choice....I think sacrificing my career is unwise and so does my fiancee, therefore we will sacrifice our time together by bidding opposite schedules....where is the difference? We hardly see eachother as it is so what is the difference? This was discussed at length many times between us and we both know that opposite schedules was the sacrifice WE would make for our kids. Sorry, but anyone willing to give up a multi million dollar career to play mommy rather than balance it out with dad helping out a bit is whacky and unwise.....but ONCE AGAIN....this is a broken record between us....we will never agree on this so let's let this go.

4. Uh, you can count me out of this one. I really don't have any need, desire or time to counter any articles. If other women were happier playing Suzie Homemaker than having financial and life independence, then they should go back to letting a man control them......that's their business. I wasn't raised that way and that would not make me happy...it would make me miserable. I only have one life to live and I want it to be a happy one.

 

[capt. megadeth]

So you are saying that an all female crew on UAL's Souix City accident (unmanned as they like to say...) would have not been as successful?

I'm sure that's what he would say. :laugh:

He's never flown with me though....LOL!

 

[Rez O. Lewshun]

1. I was but a 4 day drive from California to Illinois with no Flightinfo got me to recoup. Not only that, but I really was done until Mr. "Catholic" came on here with his nonsense. You are actually more reasonable than this ding dong.....I can't believe I just said that.

So it like that with you..... got it...

2. Thanks man!

In the end its all good..

3. That may be so. No, of course daycare won't care for your child better than a parent (hopefully). I never said that. I also agree with you that it's better to have a parent at home with the kids but you take it to the extreme saying someone should never want a break. You never addressed the opposite schedule thing which does make A parent available most times. Life (and children) is about sacrifice....some people think that sacrificing their career to be at home with their kids 24/7 is the better choice....I think sacrificing my career is unwise and so does my fiancee, therefore we will sacrifice our time together by bidding opposite schedules....where is the difference? We hardly see eachother as it is so what is the difference? This was discussed at length many times between us and we both know that opposite schedules was the sacrifice WE would make for our kids. Sorry, but anyone willing to give up a multi million dollar career to play mommy rather than balance it out with dad helping out a bit is whacky and unwise.....but ONCE AGAIN....this is a broken record between us....we will never agree on this so let's let this go.

Consider 'modeling' or 'behavior by example'. What type of relationship are you showing the little one? Tag team parenting? When one comes home the other leaves? That long term committed relationships are really 24-48 hours sessions with 4-7 day blocks of FL350 at .8?

Relationships are like sex. If a couple is comfortable with ball gags, midgets and jello, then go for it! But when kids get involved... they are like copy machines! And applying complex adult socio paradigms to child development is..... debatable?

Finally, kids are not dumb... they will ask hard questions. A friendly heads up...be prepared.

4. Uh, you can count me out of this one. I really don't have any need, desire or time to counter any articles. If other women were happier playing Suzie Homemaker than having financial and life independence, then they should go back to letting a man control them......that's their business. I wasn't raised that way and that would not make me happy...it would make me miserable. I only have one life to live and I want it to be a happy one.

You are trading one for the other. What is this "a man control them" It seems you can think only one way on this... You aren't seeking stability, rather just seeking out the lesser of two evils...

 

[capt. megadeth]

1. Finally, kids are not dumb... they will ask hard questions. A friendly heads up...be prepared.

2. You are trading one for the other. What is this "a man control them" It seems you can think only one way on this... You aren't seeking stability, rather just seeking out the lesser of two evils...

1. No doubt. They are very intuitive.
I will answer...."Johnny, you like that bike you have or not?" LOL! Just kidding. They will be fine but thanks for the heads up.

2. Sure dude, whatever you want to think. Yup, that's it. Looks like we both only think one way on this subject, which is why I just said let's let it lie.

 

[capt. megadeth]

By the way, until I see you hassle the guys on the other thread about their wives working, I am just not taking you seriously anymore. Once I realized what is going on, you have lost some credibility with me bro.

 

[Rez O. Lewshun]

By the way, until I see you hassle the guys on the other thread about their wives working, I am just not taking you seriously anymore. Once I realized what is going on, you have lost some credibility with me bro.

Whoa.... easy girl.. you have picked and choosen what you respond too.. but if you want me to climb on and ride them like a show pony, like I have with you and flyual...then say the word!:beer:

 

[capt. megadeth]

Whoa.... easy girl.. you have picked and choosen what you respond too.. but if you want me to climb on and ride them like a show pony, like I have with you and flyual...then say the word!:beer:

WORD!