"TSO Approved" Headsets

[PBRstreetgang]

PBR, admire your tenacity, but give it up, man. The letter from the FREAKIN' FAA sez:

"There is no specific requirement that aircraft operating under 14 CFR part 121 be equipped with
headsets or that flight crewmembers use headsets produced under a TSOA."

And you know this is an authentic letter, how? We all know no one would ever post anything on the internet that may be false. Till I read that letter or one like it addressed to me, its like the rest of this thread. Words on a screen, I will keep my certificates in my pocket. I am amazed as to how gullible people on the internet are, just like whats his face "laughing the ops inspector out of his cockpit" If you really believe everything you read on the internet, I have a friend in Africa that can hack in to the student loan corp. and for 10K will erase all your student loans. Just send the cash in small bills to 1600 Pennsylvania Ave. Washington DC.
PBR

 

[PBRstreetgang]

Hello again,
If one reads the "Whatley Letter" the last paragraph on the second page and top paragraph of the third page, clearly address the ANR headset and adapters issue quite clearly. uFlymike clearly does not meet regulatory requirements and quite possibly is specifically prohibited by this letter.
Read it very closely
PBR

 

[evilbeef54]

have't had any problems from the FAA (yet) with my headset, i use the Lightspeed Mach1, great peice of equpiment, very comfy, great sound, and the battery is only there for the plugins (mp3/cellphone) and to boost signal but it works just fine without the batt

 

[PBRstreetgang]

PBR,
Just curious...what are you gonna do if an FO shows up with the UFM (or any other Non-TSO'd headset) and thats all they have for a headset? Ear plugs and the hand mike??

He will be talking to the MOD.
PBR

 

[sweptback]

Sennheiser ANRs fail without warning and have no warning system other than FAILURE; the QC2 is the only ANR headset I know of that gives a low battery warning. In order to restore audio in a Sennheiser, you have to realize you've lost audio. IF you realize it, you have to turn the power switch OFF to restore audio.

I don't mean to step into your personal pissing match, but you're incorrect. When the battery dies on my Sennheiser headset, I still hear ATC, I just lose the ANR. It works better if you flip the ANR switch off (otherwise there's just enough juice in the battery to make the ANR cycle on and off which is annoying) but in no way do I lose standard headset functions.

 

[mblackey]

Hello again,
If one reads the "Whatley Letter" the last paragraph on the second page and top paragraph of the third page, clearly address the ANR headset and adapters issue quite clearly. uFlymike clearly does not meet regulatory requirements and quite possibly is specifically prohibited by this letter.
Read it very closely
PBR

PBR - Read it again. That's not what it says.

Dave Greer, FAA attorney and author of the letter, says that's not what it says. Aircraft EQUIPPED with ANR headsets must not be the type that rely solely on battery power. He's not talking about SUPPLEMENTING the configuration of an aircraft with a personal headset.

Mike

 

[PBRstreetgang]

121.359(g)

 

[CA1900]

121.359(g)

"(g) For those aircraft equipped to record the uninterrupted audio signals received by a boom or a mask microphone, the flight crewmembers are required to use the boom microphone below 18,000 feet mean sea level.[/quote]

The microphone in the UFlyMike works with a dead battery in the QC2 headset. Hell, it works even if it's not plugged into a headset at all.

 

[rptrain]

And you know this is an authentic letter, how? We all know no one would ever post anything on the internet that may be false. Till I read that letter or one like it addressed to me, its like the rest of this thread. Words on a screen, I will keep my certificates in my pocket. I am amazed as to how gullible people on the internet are, just like whats his face "laughing the ops inspector out of his cockpit" If you really believe everything you read on the internet, I have a friend in Africa that can hack in to the student loan corp. and for 10K will erase all your student loans. Just send the cash in small bills to 1600 Pennsylvania Ave. Washington DC.
PBR

jeez, when did you join the tinfoil hat crowd?

 

[PBRstreetgang]

jeez, when did you join the tinfoil hat crowd?

Founding member, gotta go, black helicopters are coming!
PBR

 

[CallmeJB]

121.359(g) For those aircraft equipped to record the uninterrupted audio signals received by a boom or a mask microphone, the flight crewmembers are required to use the boom microphone below 18,000 feet mean sea level.

The microphone in the UFlyMike works with a dead battery in the QC2 headset. Hell, it works even if it's not plugged into a headset at all.

That's correct, the mic in the UFM is unaffected by battery failure, thus negating the application of 121.359(g). Sorry.

Furthermore, excellent CRM! I'd be happy to slide the seat all the way back, put my headset away, and let you do all the work.

"Let me know when you're ready to work with me.":beer:

 

[norskman2]

PBR - Read it again. That's not what it says.

Dave Greer, FAA attorney and author of the letter, says that's not what it says. Aircraft EQUIPPED with ANR headsets must not be the type that rely solely on battery power. He's not talking about SUPPLEMENTING the configuration of an aircraft with a personal headset.

Mike

Hah! I knew someone was gonna get tripped up by the last paragraph in the letter!

Mike, when I carefully read the letter by Dave Greer (whom I understand also moonlights as the former finance minister of Nigeria and is seeking my help to transfer five million dollars out of the country!), it's pretty obvious:

1) no FARs require use of a TSO'd headset unless the aircraft's type certificate requires it as part of the original OEM equipment

2) The FAA however is very concerned about ANR headsets and what happens when they go into failure mode with dead batteries, etc.

You're never going to convince PBR (Pabst Blue Ribbon?) and pilots of that ilk that UFlyMike is ok to use. Meanwhile, those that use and love it will continue to use and love it. But some pilots, flights ops managers and FAA inspectors are going to continue to raise a stink about it, right or wrong, and spread misinformation.

Best of luck getting the TSO. Yeah, I'm sure it's royal pain in the a** and an expense you don't need, but it'll be the only way to put the issue to rest.

 

[mblackey]

Hah! I knew someone was gonna get tripped up by the last paragraph in the letter!

Mike, when I carefully read the letter by Dave Greer (whom I understand also moonlights as the former finance minister of Nigeria and is seeking my help to transfer five million dollars out of the country!), it's pretty obvious:

1) no FARs require use of a TSO'd headset unless the aircraft's type certificate requires it as part of the original OEM equipment

2) The FAA however is very concerned about ANR headsets and what happens when they go into failure mode with dead batteries, etc.

You're never going to convince PBR (Pabst Blue Ribbon?) and pilots of that ilk that UFlyMike is ok to use. Meanwhile, those that use and love it will continue to use and love it. But some pilots, flights ops managers and FAA inspectors are going to continue to raise a stink about it, right or wrong, and spread misinformation.

Best of luck getting the TSO. Yeah, I'm sure it's royal pain in the a** and an expense you don't need, but it'll be the only way to put the issue to rest.

norskman2,

Truer words never spoken. My son wants to coin a new word for those with a battery phobia - ANRanoia: an unfounded and unreasonable fear of things battery powered.

Irksome to have to get a meaningless TSO to satisfy the ignorant, but we're doing it.

We should probably start a campaign to do away with battery bus backups to the electrical system. That should make them REALLY happy.

Mike

 

[DGdaPilot]

You guys wear headsets? pfffftttt....

 

[norskman2]

My son wants to coin a new word for those with a battery phobia - ANRanoia

How about ANR-retentive?

 

[Rekks Inbound]

Just get a Telex 850. ANR WITHOUT batteries, TSO'd, Around $400, and you can write it off on your taxes. Done, finito, finished.

Peace.

Rekks