TSA WARNING: Commuters must be in Uniform

[VWDrvr21]

Q1: Has worldwide terrorism in general increased since 9/11/01 or decreased?
Has it increased? Or are you just paying attention now? (1st world trade center bombing,Uss Cole,Lockerbee,etc)
Q2: Who is the "enemy"? Be specific? What race, what nationality? Can't answer can you? But I bet you can tell me what religion. Therin lies the problem. This is a war of hate and revenge for 9/11.
The Enemy: STATES THAT SPONSER TERRORIST ACTIVITY- Taliban, And yes Iraq. AS STATED IN THE PRESIDENTS SPEECH AFTER 911! Again how quickly we forget.


If furloughed tomorrow, my opinion would not change. In fact, I would be even more angry about the war, because it would be more proof that the Bush administration's anti-terrorism plan has failed again

So you are saying the plan has failed? Seems pretty succesful to me. Have we been attacked? Where is your "proof" the plan has failed?
What was your excuse when Clinton's abortion in Somalia and Haiti failed miserably? Oh thats right, we were on a humanitarian mission. Your just against the Bush admin wich is fine but this issue is not political, but rather the security of OUR country, dont you think?

 

[VWDrvr21]

Q1: Has worldwide terrorism in general increased since 9/11/01 or decreased?

Q2: Who is the "enemy"? Be specific? What race, what nationality? Can't answer can you? But I bet you can tell me what religion. Therin lies the problem. This is a war of hate and revenge for 9/11.


If furloughed tomorrow, my opinion would not change. In fact, I would be even more angry about the war, because it would be more proof that the Bush administration's anti-terrorism plan has failed again

The enemy? STATES THAT SPONSER TERRORIST ACTIVITY-Taliban and yes Iraq. This was stated in the presidents speech right after 911. Again how quickly we forget.

 

[NEDude]

The enemy? STATES THAT SPONSER TERRORIST ACTIVITY-Taliban and yes Iraq. This was stated in the presidents speech right after 911. Again how quickly we forget.

This may be where the biggest disagreement is. GWB and company are trying to play this as a war against states that sponsor terrorism. The real problem is that this is not state driven. This is an ideology that transcends national and ethnic background. Islamic terrorists come from many countries, including the USA. They have been black, white, middle-eastern, and asian.

I know it has been asked in more general terms, but I'll ask it more specifically, how do you identify an islamic terrorist? And what nation(s) do you go after?

 

[VWDrvr21]

This may be where the biggest disagreement is. GWB and company are trying to play this as a war against states that sponsor terrorism. The real problem is that this is not state driven. This is an ideology that transcends national and ethnic background. Islamic terrorists come from many countries, including the USA. They have been black, white, middle-eastern, and asian.

I know it has been asked in more general terms, but I'll ask it more specifically, how do you identify an islamic terrorist? And what nation(s) do you go after?

States that support, sponser, harbor and FUND terrorism. The CIA knows more than we do. Have some faith in your government. They have done a decent job so far in our 200 years of existance.

 

[Prop2Jet]

Talking about this issue is so lame when most people have not a clue about the real reasons. Thanks to the media and gullible public, people think they know the real reasons for the war. A war of revenge? Come on, it is not an eye for an eye. Their is a bigger strategy, both geo-political and economic, for the war(s). It is myopic to think otherwise.

Islam plays a significant part of the WOT, being that the terrorist use the religion as their credo for the practice of terrorism. Unfortunately, most Westerners' equate Islam with terrorism. Islam is a peaceful religion with open ended doctrine, which allows the extremist to twist the words in their favor and exploit its founding of uneducated participants. Islam as a whole is not the entity the West is fighting. Terrorism, supported by Islamic-based people, are its targets.

To the question regarding the increase/decrease in terror, post 9-11. I find that this question is in itself limited by the fact that 9-11 occurred and again myopic. I am confident that 9-11 and the West's WOT has inspired more terrorism in the world. Yet, I do not believe it has exasperated a world movement of terrorism as many would like to purport, I.E. the Jihad v. McWorld school of thought.

Terrorism has been on a steady rise after the end of the Cold War. Both the fall of the USSR and its satellite states allowed for the once subdued terrorist movements to grow and spread radical ideologies without the friction of government intervention. We are currently seeing these ideologies in new venues of the world as they seek to control, either through religion or cultural idiosyncrasies, the once stable territories.

During the Cold War, these ideologies were quelled by dictatorships who promoted strict oppression of the terrorist view points; this was seen as detracting from the single governance view point. At present, no one is around but the U.S. to instill control and single uniformity. The terrorist organizations have more incentive to fight for their belief as they see the West as being the antithesis of their value system. Independent of 9-11, the problem is that little governmental resistance in the lands inhabited by terrorist organizations promote terrorism.

It is the truth that the West does group people of Islam together as being terrorists. We do so only to aid in identifying our enemy. Without such a identification we would be killing indiscriminately, like the Mongals. The association of Islam and terror is sad, but their is no existing alternative to this. Can you think of one?

 

[Prop2Jet]

"know it has been asked in more general terms, but I'll ask it more specifically, how do you identify an islamic terrorist? And what nation(s) do you go after?"

Herein lies the problem. Terrorist do not work for a nation. They have no real government, they hold little territory, they have no values which equal our own. By terrorist lacking tangible things the West finds itself in a war of asymmetry. How can we defeat people who want to die, how can we bomb them and see tangible results? We cannot.

Islamic terrorists come in all shapes and sizes. You cannot narrow it down to a single ethnicity. It is a movement braced by many. It is always changing, thus giving it more asymmetry.

 

[Prop2Jet]

It is not only the CIA,,,, their are 12 Intel agencies doing these jobs!

 

[NEDude]

Herein lies the problem. Terrorist do not work for a nation. They have no real government, they hold little territory, they have no values which equal our own. By terrorist lacking tangible things the West finds itself in a war of asymmetry. How can we defeat people who want to die, how can we bomb them and see tangible results? We cannot.

Islamic terrorists come in all shapes and sizes. You cannot narrow it down to a single ethnicity. It is a movement braced by many. It is always changing, thus giving it more asymmetry.

That was my point.

States that support, sponser, harbor and FUND terrorism. The CIA knows more than we do. Have some faith in your government. They have done a decent job so far in our 200 years of existance.

So tell me, which states do we go after? Terrorism is far bigger than states. My of what we are seeing is being controlled by an ideology that superceeds boundries. Do we bomb the United Kingdom because Richard Reid came from there and has a growing number of Islamic extremists? How about Indonesia? You can't bomb an ideology.

While our government has done many wonderful things over our 200+ years of existence, they have also laid some major eggs as well. Blind faith in any government is a dangerous way to go.

 

[VWDrvr21]

That was my point.



So tell me, which states do we go after? Terrorism is far bigger than states. My of what we are seeing is being controlled by an ideology that superceeds boundries. Do we bomb the United Kingdom because Richard Reid came from there and has a growing number of Islamic extremists? How about Indonesia? You can't bomb an ideology.

While our government has done many wonderful things over our 200+ years of existence, they have also laid some major eggs as well. Blind faith in any government is a dangerous way to go.

We keep doing what we are doing: hunting,defunding,killing the enemy.What else do you suggest? Looking the other way or pretending it doesnt exist or just "try not to make them mad" Is absurd. They are already mad and they (the extremists) want to and have killed us. What side do you want to be on. You have to pick at some point. Im very happy with our way of life and would like to see it continue.

 

[doug_or]

Common guys, how about some unity. We're bashing the TSA here, not each other.

 

[Flyer1015]

This thread has definitely squawked 7500...

 

[Prop2Jet]

here is the solution, NUKE EVERYONE BUT US THEN BUILD A MOON BASE AND MOVE ONLY HOT FA (SINCE WE KNOW THEY LIKE TO F***) AND US TO RULE SPACE! AHAAHAHH

 

[Fred Rogers]

States that support, sponser, harbor and FUND terrorism. The CIA knows more than we do. Have some faith in your government. They have done a decent job so far in our 200 years of existance.

Did you ever have history class in high school?

Someone who deals with this needs to leave emotion and rhetoric out of it. Very difficult to do because it can be an emotional issue. If we want to solve it however it is a necessity. The status quo / asking how you can prove that what we are doing is not working is completely simplistic and reflects an uninformed view.

I do blame the media for a lot of the problems however.

This is a very salient issue with regard to the TSA because it is all related and stems from an attitude which does not make us safer.

 

[pacific 77]

okayyy now... sounds like you might've just had a bit much catnip there prop. :laugh:

 

[VWDrvr21]

Did you ever have history class in high school?

Someone who deals with this needs to leave emotion and rhetoric out of it. Very difficult to do because it can be an emotional issue. If we want to solve it however it is a necessity. The status quo / asking how you can prove that what we are doing is not working is completely simplistic and reflects an uninformed view.

I do blame the media for a lot of the problems however.

This is a very salient issue with regard to the TSA because it is all related and stems from an attitude which does not make us safer.

Appearently your relying on the 3 pages they spent in your high school on US History. Let me inform you that this is the same Gov. that defeated the British Empire with a militia army,Won and reunited a destroyed country in the American Civil War, Defeated Germany in WW1, Defeated Nazi Germany And at the same time defeated a fanatical suicidal disciplined Japanese Empire in WW2, defeated a much larger North Korean and chinese army in Korea, Won the cold war monetarily against the Russians. But somehow we will be defeated by islamic extremists. Again please inform me how the present course has not worked this far. All you can do is bash the current policy but never offer solutions. Just like the the elected officials who voted for it but for some reason have changed their story just in time nearing the end of the Bush's second term. Please understand, I dont mean any direspect but I cant understand how people can not support this objective. Can you imagine what this country would be like with terrorism as a common occurence. Whose side are you on?